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Vendaval -> Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:14:26 PM)
I am curious about the mandated insurance part of the new law. In this state any driving a vehicle is required to have insurance. Since we all need medical services throughout our lives is mandated health insurance any different in theory? Of course there uninsured drivers on the road and they do cause accidents, which means drivers who do carry insurance often pay for an "uninsured driver" clause. I do not have enough information about mandatory insurance on homes for say, floods or earthquakes. Are there other comparisons that can be made?

Musicmystery -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:19:01 PM)
People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control.

pahunkboy -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:19:13 PM)
lets not get me started. lol

Thadius -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:21:02 PM)
I guess the place to start with making this comparison is with the vehicles. Does the state you live in require everybody to have a drivers licence and a car, simply because they are residents? Obviously not, therefore not everybody is required to have insurance. Driving is a privledge, and as part of that privledge there are certain responsibilities that come with it. Now if your state required all residents to have insurance for auto, simply because they lived there even if they didn't own a car or drive... The same can be said for home owners insurance. See where this discussion fails the apples to apples comparison?

Slavehandsome -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:23:08 PM)
When do we get to institute mandatory Life Insurance and Renter's Insurance?

Thadius -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:23:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control. Everybody travels by road, whether at the wheel or via public transportation... yet we don't mandate all residents have some sort of insurance for being alive. Again, where does the limits of what Congress can mandate end, if this is found to be constitutional?

Real0ne -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:32:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control. The foundation of insurance for the car is that you can cause damage in the public and as a driver you licensed as are part of the corporate commercial enterprise therefore you need insurance. People who travel and little does anyone on here seem to realize there are thousands out here can speed and whatever as long as they do not screw up and hurt someone. In other words traveling is a private right and driving is a commercial privilege. You can look in the stats in any state and if you are sharp you will find that somewhere buried in there the distinction will be made and that goes for everything else that comes under unalienable rights as well. The only reason its mandated is becaue you are 1) a "driver" not a traveler and 2) you can damage someone and our administrative courts as a result of the APA do not have jurisdiction to adjudicate "freemen" or Sovereigns, only the corporate slaves in their "administrative", NOT JUDICIAL hearings. Start from the beginning of their creation and you will see that this is 150% accurate.

Musicmystery -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:37:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control. Everybody travels by road, whether at the wheel or via public transportation... yet we don't mandate all residents have some sort of insurance for being alive. Wow---if you want to get that picky, actually, we DO charge them...they pay for those roads, and they even pay gasoline taxes, as those costs are reflected in the price of the transportation. They also pay for police, fire, and military protection. Everybody. Just for being alive.

Real0ne -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:44:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control. Everybody travels by road, whether at the wheel or via public transportation... yet we don't mandate all residents have some sort of insurance for being alive. Again, where does the limits of what Congress can mandate end, if this is found to be constitutional? yeh another popular "state" word. resident. they dont bother with domicile or like me HIDEL, because its not corporate! what is resident? Res+ident thing identified and for whatever reason once this king george and east india corporation started mapping shit out they made their little trust compacts and they have an interest in anyone using their trademarked labels. What a fucking deal eh? Any wonder we whine about government and can never find the bottom of things? Elect one flunky after another and this country goes a bit more down the shit hole every round? any wonder? Look up the etymology on resident sometime.... in newspaper size print it is a list of definitions that is 3/8 thick that when its all said and done if you exist you are resident! Now go into a tax case and what will they hit you with as justification for taxation? ah huh the fact you exist, resident. I keep telling people that the people in feudal england has more freedom than we do now and that we are living in a feudal system and the only thing that is different is definitions and of course a bunch of slaves who think they are free because they can choose what beer they want to drink and what channel they want to watch while they drink it. Resistance is futile! Locutis

Musicmystery -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:47:22 PM)
If I were given the choice, I would buy auto insurance. Same with homeowners insurance. Same with health insurance. Some things just make sense.

pahunkboy -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:48:49 PM)
we wont get me started today. we wont.

Thadius -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control. Everybody travels by road, whether at the wheel or via public transportation... yet we don't mandate all residents have some sort of insurance for being alive. Wow---if you want to get that picky, actually, we DO charge them...they pay for those roads, and they even pay gasoline taxes, as those costs are reflected in the price of the transportation. They also pay for police, fire, and military protection. Everybody. Just for being alive. Hmmm, using that standard, wouldn't that also include paying for those extra health care expenses for the uninsured and those with Medicare and Medicaid? Or at least that is what I thought was one of the arguments in support of this legislation....

Musicmystery -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:54:43 PM)
Yup.

Real0ne -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 1:55:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People play both sides of this fence. First argument will be that an automobile is a choice, so technically, it's only mandated if you choose to own one. The trouble is that everyone has health, and will conceivably need health insurance. People will argue it should be choice, but just as with uninsured drivers, that choice impacts others, from unpaid emergency care to disease control. Everybody travels by road, whether at the wheel or via public transportation... yet we don't mandate all residents have some sort of insurance for being alive. Again, where does the limits of what Congress can mandate end, if this is found to be constitutional? yeh another popular "state" word. resident. they dont bother with domicile or like me HIDEL, because its not corporate! what is resident? Res+ident thing identified and for whatever reason once this king george and east india corporation started mapping shit out they made their little trust compacts and they have an interest in anyone using their trademarked labels. What a fucking deal eh? Any wonder we whine about government and can never find the bottom of things? Elect one flunky after another and this country goes a bit more down the shit hole every round? any wonder? Look up the etymology on resident sometime.... in newspaper size print it is a list of definitions that is 3/8 thick that when its all said and done if you exist you are resident! Now go into a tax case and what will they hit you with as justification for taxation? ah huh the fact you exist, resident. I keep telling people that the people in feudal england has more freedom than we do now and that we are living in a feudal system and the only thing that is different is definitions and of course a bunch of slaves who think they are free because they can choose what beer they want to drink and what channel they want to watch while they drink it. Resistance is futile! Locutis quote: Again, where does the limits of what Congress can mandate end, if this is found to be constitutional? ok since you all apparently do not know here is how it works. First you have the 14th amendment that says shut up and put up because you are a citizen of the united states which is a corporation. Yes a corporation is a body politic and a body politic is a state and you got it you can be a citizen of a member of a state. So how did the feds reach across state lines to kick your asses? Well you signed up with social security that is at the federal level did you not? Mom signed up as an "informant" to the government of their new chattel on the birth certificate. All the "ELEMENTS" to reach across the state lines and have complete jurisdiction over you so they can charge you "federal" income tax! People talk about state sovereignty which is a joke. You can waive your rights, cop says the miranda every time. How do you waive your rights? BY CONTRACT! Just like I just pointed out! Really simple stuff they forgot to teach anyone in school even college,

Real0ne -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 2:06:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If I were given the choice, I would buy auto insurance. Same with homeowners insurance. Same with health insurance. Some things just make sense. I wont dispute having insurance if the benefit justifies the cost. The state should be paying for that anyway :) You give them your name on the census do you not? They use it for credit against your property do they not? Why are you not getting a kickback on those bonds eh? You see they through media hype keep the leftees ant the rightees at each others throats and no one ever looks beyond their noses to see whats really happening out there and how we are getting fucked at every corner so these assholes can add to their personal retirement funds. Government was never intended to be a business whith people as the commodity. but it is and until people wake up you aint seen nothing yet. Just get out your wallet and pay motha pay!

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 3:35:44 PM)
With a little luck, we'll only have to worry about it for a year or two before they switch to single-payer - as they should have just done in the first place.

Musicmystery -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 3:38:36 PM)
Amen. I'm hoping once we're over the wall of "Oh my God! Socialized Health Care!" saner heads will start turning toward more practical (and less expensive) paths.

Thadius -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 3:39:15 PM)
Do you think it is likely, considering the current political climate or even with the current or upcoming congressional makeup?

Musicmystery -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 3:44:22 PM)
No. It would, however, make more sense. Americans have a history of voting against their own claimed interests. Remember, we ran up this debt, in the 60s, in the 80s and again in the 2000s, while ardently waving our flags. Same with giving up rights to the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Theater.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Mandated insurance, vehicle, home, etc (3/27/2010 3:47:02 PM)
Hard to say what's likely and unlikely these days. But it's certainly possible, given that a large - even very large - majority of the public has favored it consistently over the last year. I've got a strong hunch that part of the plan is to let the current private insurance system continue to come apart at the seams for the next few years, and when it's inescapably clear that the public option is the only solution, step in and implement it. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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