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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 5:52:38 AM

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Every event that we throw, we have french maids doing all the work (tending bar, coat check, cleanup), helps us enjoy the party.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 5:59:34 AM

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We once organized a play party with a French maid theme. We laid out a basic framework of what was expected of the maids and of what services they could be "used" for. Anyone who came dressed as a maid was expected to fill that role. We designed the food and drink around that role, etc.

It worked fairly well, was a lot of fun, and we didn't have any problems pop up.

i would love to go to a party like that. Not sure i would be worthy of your Lordship though.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 10:50:08 AM

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MS ALIX:
The male maid, an unending self-challenging venture into formal mannerisms etiquette and propriety. A male embracing requirements in conduct and/or behavior established as suitable for demonstrating the strength and richness of humble passion driven servitude and eager obedience. A mindset steeped in aspiring to flawlessness in performance while projecting vigor vitality and stalwart power filled dependability and durability.
Of course the above discription is how the vast majority of male maids perceive their position but few female dominants view it from
the same perspective.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 10:56:33 AM

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Sweet,

Do not think of yourself as unworthy, think of yourself as aspiring.

All kidding aside, thanks for the compliment! I see on your profile you are seeking mentorship, something I do not do. However, I would highly recomend three simple inexpensive books. The Topping Book, The Bottoming Book, and Consensual Sadomasochim.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 11:00:40 AM

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Proper,

The only thing more greedy and self centered than your average dominant is your average male submissive. Gross generalizations are in general, gross, yours ups the ante, not an easy thing to do.

While the most beautiful submission I have ever seen came from observing a gay male submissive, it was sadly something that I have found to be uncommon. I think women have a harder time finding a suitable submissive man than us male dominants have in finding a suitable female partner.

However, if you achieve in real life even half of your claims, I tip my hat to you Sir, you are a rare one.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 11:20:55 AM

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CrappyDom...Sir, thank you for your input...certainly I agree generalizing is and can be thought provoking but a surface description of a belief and value system is not meant to be specific in terms of how it unfolds in a real life setting. Its simply the sharing of
a belief.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 12:10:46 PM

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having been trained as a chef and butler, that is the way I alweays envision being submissive ther rest is jus gravy/ play. Unfortunately not many dommes/ domme or couple want to have a butler.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 12:41:30 PM

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Well MojoRisin, I have stated on my profile that i am competent in all aspect's of good house keeping (except cooking) .
Mainly because "i am" and alway's have been but also i see it as another way to possibly improve your Dominant's quality of life by giving them more free time to deal with more important thing's.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/19/2006 12:52:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: totalservant

having been trained as a chef and butler, that is the way I alweays envision being submissive ther rest is jus gravy/ play. Unfortunately not many dommes/ domme or couple want to have a butler.

What woman would not want a chef or butler? Is that really want you meant...or, is it that they don't want a chef or butler with strings attached?

The reality of the male maid fantasy, or male cook, or male houseboy is that it is just that -- a fantasy. My experiences with houseboys were all very negative. They were interested in cleaning only to the extent that it included fulifllment of their fantasy (fondling my panties instead of cleaning them, walking around naked in front of me, doing a poor job in hopes of punishment). The male maid as a servant that is feeding a *fetish* requires that a femdom at least pay enough attention to him to satisfy that desire in order to get the tasks at hand DONE. In most cases, it is easier and cheaper to pay a maid!

Even the most vanilla woman would revel in the idea of a manservant who handled the chores, did the cooking or cleaned up without having to nag him or provide sexual motivation. The truth is -- for a male submissive, the pleasure is NOT only in the act, it's in a fantasy related to the act. If I have to stand over a sub who is cleaning the toilet in order to get it done, it's not really freeing up my time, is it?

My man does all the cleaning, cooking and errands. He drives me around and manages our calendar. He irons. None of this is a sexual turn on for him nor has he ever had a fetish for it. He does it because that's his role and he takes pride in it. I don't have to give constant praise, direction or adjust his performance with punishment, nor do I need to motivate him by dressing up in latex or standing over him with a whip. My fetish side is a completely different need he has to fulfill, and has nothing to do with his role as butler, maid, and cook.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/20/2006 12:00:41 PM

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Cleaning isn't exactly a fetish or anything for me, and if I could I'd probably sit around all day and hire someone to clean the house, but it is something I will do for my dom. Personally, it is more a thing of respect- we're cudding on the couch watching a movie and the doorbell rings/phone rings/mocrowave goes off/dog barks ect, and instead of squabbling over who is going to do what, I get up and take care of what ever it is. This is not a fetish or lifestyle thing for me; rather I just try to do these things to make his life easier.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/20/2006 12:07:54 PM

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well in most my experience as a slave, which has been 10 years, this is all i've ever been used for. i dont mind doing it, but its getting annoying being uncollared, and being nothing but a housekeeper, cook, nanny, etc. i know that would be my job if i was collared, but to just have someone in the home doing only that, gets a bit repetative. due to not being paid, nor having a car or phone, my day consists of waking up, cleaning/cooking for about 12 hours, then going back to bed. wash/rinse/repeat :P i've tend to notice its the Doms that like having slaves around for that purpose only. i've yet to meet a Domme that will give me the light of day in Her world. i guess Dommes are far more picky about looks, personality, then Doms are.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/20/2006 12:20:43 PM

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Cleaning is also something I did for my dom...for the same reason, to make his life easier. I liked that half smile he got on his face when he walked in and saw the kitchen spotless or the rug shampooed. Was worth all the effort.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/22/2006 1:14:01 PM

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I have to save that serving as a maid for mes it brings purpose and you are providing your superior with efforts and labor that he/she will appreciate. One of the earlier posts, suggests boys don't know what they are doing, I have gone into several homes and found that when I get there is no plan, I guess I love structure to much, that every time I go to clean I prefer to have a list drawn out or plan of action communicated to me. But as far what I get, I seek praise and affection for my hard owrk.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/22/2006 2:32:02 PM

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while i havent formaly served as maid/butler. the same duties have been included in any service i was under, and its somehting i find i excele at and enjoy. each Mistress i served has, either requested or simply ecpected such things to be done. and i find its not something i mind. its also somethign that i find i dont need to be told to do. its simply a part of who i am, if its dirty, out of order, or the like then it needs to be remidied. doing so leaves more time for other things, as wel as there is the satisfaction of a job well done, even if there is no praise for the work. there is still the sight of a sparkelingly clean room. and your Domminites reaction when they come home from work,whatever to said cleaned abode.
though i think in some point of the future expanding the role a little might be intersting to take on the costume of butler as well as the actions i already do. could be intersting. just is not somethign ive found required of me in my service so far.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/23/2006 8:17:06 AM

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The male maid, an unending self-challenging venture into formal mannerisms etiquette and propriety. A male embracing requirements in conduct and/or behavior established as suitable for demonstrating the strength and richness of humble passion driven servitude and eager obedience. A mindset steeped in aspiring to flawlessness in performance while projecting vigor vitality and stalwart power filled dependability and durability.

Thank you for giving me hope. Having someone serve me as a maid or butler goes far beyond playtime or a role. Traditionally slaves where bought for labor, be it manual labor in the fields or domestic service. The level of dedication to service required by a domestic slave should not be under estimated. To serve properly, one most study and learn in detail, the one they serve. The knowledge of ones owner to make things appear to magically happen is mind boggling. Each of us has a rhythm or routine to our personal behavior. When a slave can learn us well enough to appear at the moment we need them is dedication that most are unwilling or unable to obtain. Just as Radar (M*A*S*H) was able to anticipate what Colonel Blake or Potter needed as they said it. A slave dedicated as a maid/butler can anticipate the needs of their owner. I tell people if they read Emily Post and Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management they will better understand my house. I also very much enjoyed the Manor House series on PBS. http://www.pbs.org/manorhouse/ The interaction between upstairs and downstairs was very interesting, combined with the personal issues of people trying to get their heads around their positions within the house. MelissaMistress of Ds Havenwww.dshaven.com

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/23/2006 9:15:41 AM

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I think you are right. It is a really humiliating thing for a guy to be emaculated into being a maid the least manliest and subservient job possible for a man.
I am not sure it has much to do with getting in touch with his 'feminine side"
I'm staright and when i have been turned into a maid in session it is all about humiliation and degradation. Your point is veryu well taken.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/23/2006 9:43:47 AM

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Misteress Melissa:
Very few females indeed instinctively or intuitively possess the intellect or intelligence to assimilate disseminate and extrapolate with any degree of accuracy those self-developed outward characteristic that separate the male domestic servitor from the male submissive and/or male slave. Contrary to the belief of most they are not all one in the same. Neither are the raging passions driving them...even remotely similar.
Your comments suggest a deeper insight...to say they are refreshing would be an understatement of monumental proportion.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/23/2006 12:14:53 PM

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those self-developed outward characteristic that separate the male domestic servitor from the male submissive and/or male slave. Contrary to the belief of most they are not all one in the same. Neither are the raging passions driving them...even remotely similar.

The motivation of the domestic servitor and the male sub/slave are often opposite ends of the spectrum. The servitor finds enjoyment and contentment in their skills and strives to continually improve their service skills. They are secure in their knowledge of their value to their owner. The sub/slave purist motivation is personal attention. Simply put; I'll do this chore, if you spank me. A.k.a. the "do me sub". The focus is upon their sexual gratification and being the center of attention. While the servant strives to achieve a level of service by which they would go unnoticed, unless something went wrong. In other words, things would just happen, not disturbing what else might be happening in the room. My dinner party would continue undisturbed while glasses where refilled and the various courses are served and cleared. The sub/slave desires to be seen by everyone that they might comment upon how good they are disturbs the mood of the evening. They desire that the focus of the room would turn to watch them "serve" that they might be the star attraction.

My desire for a domestic slave who is service oriented means that I would be free to pursue activities that interest me. I have better uses of my time than to tell someone when to pee or stand there with a strap to beat them every time they intentionally screw up to get “disciplined”. Life is not one long scene, nor is it role play. Since I work 10-12 hours a day, I find it very enjoyable to return home to a clean house, be served an enjoyable meal and be pampered before retiring for the night. With my house taken care of, I am free to spend my weekends entertaining guests for dinner and/or attending the many social events I am invited too. With my house running smoothly, I am also free, rested and in the mood for a little bit of play time.

So while I think its great that many find and enjoy the kinkier aspects of this lifestyle, we each have to find what meets our needs. Personally, if I could find someone trained as a butler or maid that also enjoys the kink of our lifestyle, I’d be all set. But just as the term slave means so many different things, to so many different people, what it means to be a butler or maid also appears to be open to interpretation.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/23/2006 12:51:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: sexxykitten

well in most my experience as a slave, which has been 10 years, this is all i've ever been used for. i dont mind doing it, but its getting annoying being uncollared, and being nothing but a housekeeper, cook, nanny, etc. i know that would be my job if i was collared, but to just have someone in the home doing only that, gets a bit repetative. due to not being paid, nor having a car or phone, my day consists of waking up, cleaning/cooking for about 12 hours, then going back to bed. wash/rinse/repeat :P i've tend to notice its the Doms that like having slaves around for that purpose only. i've yet to meet a Domme that will give me the light of day in Her world. i guess Dommes are far more picky about looks, personality, then Doms are.

lil kitten

Not all Fem Doms are that picky about looks, what they care about is the quality and level of service you provide. The quality of the service is often what makes a sub/slave important to a dominant. I'm no beauty, my health leaves alot to be deired, yet my Mistress finds value in my service to her and thus in me.

I know my Mistress does not care what hangs or does not between someones legs, she does care about what is between thier ears and in thier heart.

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RE: Serving as Maid/Butler - 4/23/2006 4:43:26 PM

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Mistress Melissa:
Your write, "While the servant strives to achieve a level of service by which they would go unnoticed, unless something went wrong. In other words, things would just happen, not disturbing what else might be happening in the room. My dinner party would continue undisturbed while glasses where refilled and the various courses served and cleared."
Madam, certainly fading into the woodwork and being seen without being noticed is one of the foremost art forms the servitor unyieldingly strives to perfect. Ultimately the servitors life is much like a sequential series of exposures challenges successes and failures firing hammering and honing to the keenest of edge the skills and expertise’s that historically and traditionally set him apart. However, a highly subtle mandate of formality and sophistication befalls the owner and therein the dedicated servitor finds the downfall of all his efforts dreams and passions.

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