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Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 1:33:59 PM   
CERCKL


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I am looking for general input, so that's why this is in this forum, both 'sides' if you will...
An element of My role which I take very seriously is to teach My sub, Mentor if you will; one area she looks for guidance in is 'spiritual' awareness as well as the emotional, psychological, experiential, intellectual...This aspect I find very rewarding because not only does it require Me to remain aware of Myself and to continue learning also but because I receive a lot by knowing she has not only learned something but understands it, KNOWS it...an easy example is her own self-worth...one she felt submissive to before and tried to serve for two years who utilized the situation in an abusive manner, to feed his own fragile ego...married, yet wanted her available when he needed to have his own negative views of how the world was out against him and felt better in contact with her to have her validate this and to humiliate her in a destructive manner, tearing her down to build himself up (yes, I use lowercase for Doms I have NO respect for...which is confusing since I also use it for subs I DO have respect for...) called her recently to play the same games and was pissed off when she wouldn't 'play' this game...she called and told Me, so proud of how she dealt with the situation...and I was proud of her...
she also is seeking growth from Me, again in a variety of arenas...My point is, reading another thread where a Dom was ridiculed for having His sub do research in an area where He should have the knowledge already...personally, I feel that there are many ways to help another to learn; writing, reading, experiential etc and to Me they are all legit depending on the student and the situation and the outcome...some of My teaching comes from talking, stories as well as having lotus read, write...why would ANYONE feel this is a weakness? I know all D/s relationships are different, just like any relationship is, depending on the situation and setting...sometimes the judgemental attitudes both amuse Me (especially if they are My own...chuckle.) and irritate Me...but placing My own judgements aside, what do you feel about the role of teaching in your situation?
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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 2:30:53 PM   
ChainedExistence


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Status: offline 		Why wouldn't I want to learn something from someone who is interested in my growth and development  both a slave and as a human being? Master knows things I do not due to his job, and his life experiences. By the same token, I've taught him a thing or two in our years together. Learning should be a lifelong endeavor, and not restricted to the academic world alone. There are very few people in this world who cannot offer anything of " educational" value to someone- from the bum on the street to the rocket scientist. How practical that information might be for my day to day life is up for debate, but certainly each person has learned a thing or two from their time on this earth. ( It could be an object lesson of things NOT to do, as well!). It is up to me to find the value in what I learn. Interest of course, plays a pivotal role in what I might choose te research. Certainly ,  Master directs some of those learnings for his benefit as well as my own.  Sometimes the learning is self-initiated in order to be found more pleasing in my service to him and sometimes I learn something simply because it pleases Me. I would be hard-pressed to find fault with anyone who expected me to learn a thing or two!

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 3:57:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		This might not come out sounding right, so I'm warning you in advance. While your sub is definitely learning from you, it is more important that she is gaining a little self respect in herself. You may have given her, or taught her, if you will, to stand up for herself, but the important thing is that she did stand up for herself, and didn't allow the other loser to drag her back down.

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 3:58:47 PM   
BrianSenior


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Status: offline 		I dont feel it is a weakness rather a strength on both sides. In High School My health teacher said He could teach the class Spanish and He did not know it. When asked how He could teach what He didnt know, He replied that He would stay a chapter ahead and teach what it is that He learned. To have the submissive looking up and reading anything from lifestyle issues to why is the illegal immagration such a problem in the US, is to Me nothing but strength. Then again I am tired right now, so this might be nothing more then rambling. ~BK~

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 4:16:44 PM   
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quote:

This might not come out sounding right, so I'm warning you in advance. While your sub is definitely learning from you, it is more important that she is gaining a little self respect in herself. You may have given her, or taught her, if you will, to stand up for herself, but the important thing is that she did stand up for herself, and didn't allow the other loser to drag her back down.

slaveladyj,
Damn straight that it is important for her to know, believe, breathe her self-worth...she has a lot of strength, gifts, worth and her knowing it and believing it is more important than My knowing it in her...no offense was taken or perceive but I thank you for your respect in framing your remark...
C

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 4:35:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		In a theoretical sense I think the role of  teaching and guiding is a good one. In a practical sense the person who is guiding/teaching me has to be someone that I feel has more knowledge than I do. I find the idea of being guided spiritually a very appealing one, but again the person has to be someone that I feel is more spiritually self aware than I am. If I perceive them as not being so then I can't really respect them as a teacher or guide. 

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 5:18:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's part of my duty and spiritual calling to be a guide, leader and teacher for my slaves. I don't claim to be able to do this in some profound way or to always have the right answers or to always make the right decisions. I can only state that I will always have their best interests in my heart and make the best decisions I can given what I have to work with.

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 5:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi folks,

Sorry to be flip - but this can so quickly turn into an ego thing. My sub has vast amounts of knowledge in areas that I do not. Some of the areas he has knowledge in interest me, some do not. The areas that I wish to know more about I will explore and learn from him.
I have vast amounts of knowledge in areas that he is not educated in. I will train him in the areas I choose. I will instruct him to learn about things that I have no knowledge or expertise (2 different things) in. Education is a GOOD thing and should not be confused with or replaced by ego.

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 5:43:36 PM   
CERCKL


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quote:

Sorry to be flip - but this can so quickly turn into an ego thing. My sub has vast amounts of knowledge in areas that I do not. Some of the areas he has knowledge in interest me, some do not. The areas that I wish to know more about I will explore and learn from him.


This is not flip but rather a very legit point...ego stroking is not sought...nor do I necessarily recognize the knowledge she seeks spiritually as actually possessed by Me...I know little. she disagrees and I am willing to help her develop. I also recognize the elements she knows which I do not...and will either learn from her or allow her to do for Me and not worry about learning more in depth... I suppose in some ways the areas explored are more esoteric than pragmatic...just Me.
Thank you for your indulgence again, I find those here enlightening...
C

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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 7:27:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd want to make sure they are a competent teacher.  A person can be a master flogger, but have absolutely no aptitude for teaching.  Teaching and guiding spirituality is a very testy way because everyone's spirituality is so unique and can take a completely different path from the teacher's.  Being a teacher in part means letting the student go on their own way. People make the mistake too often of thinking that dominant somewhat equates to being more skilled in this way.

But, if the person has been trained and shows good skill at being a teacher for this sort of thing, I think it would be great to work together in that way. 


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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 8:12:04 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Tal CERCKL,   Bravo on your OP. Lucky is the sub/slave who’s Dominant (Master, Mistress, Dom, Domme, Top or SO) cares enough to want him or her trained to the best and has the intelligence and courage to seek help and additional knowledge in that training.  

Here in these forums, there are many awesome people. People not just with the knowledge and experience but with the heart to help others not associated RL with them grow too…. There are too many to mention but you know the ones too. I gain so much from these people and as part of training any one I have under my care I would have them join here as well.


Edited to add:  I have learned as much from slaves as I have from my peers and other Domly folk....


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RE: Guidance, Teaching and Research... - 4/2/2006 8:36:35 PM   
CERCKL


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quote:

Edited to add:  I have learned as much from slaves as I have from my peers and other Domly folk....


I agree with this entirely: lotus is much more atuned to My moods at times than My Self as well as her empathatic and psychic intuition which I rely upon her to continue developing. Also, I learn from questions and discussions as I am forced to continue to be aware of My Self during discourse...

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