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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:01:31 AM

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Greece could print more money too, for all the good it would do them. But even if things don't get that bad how much fun do spiraling inflation, soaring interest rates and staggering tax rates sound when it finally comes time to pay the piper?

The sooner we face the music on this the better.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:06:31 AM

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You noticed all of that did you tazzy...and he still hasn't come back.Perhaps he feels he has already revealed far too much in the area of "Which America" he,personally wants back?
Was it the separate water fountains that made America great.....or the segregated bathrooms?

Yawn, is that your best? Really...

How about I just paint you as a typical ass licking cowardly NY Liberal, who is afraid to even hold a gun, thinks his shit doesn't stink, and would love to suck Chuck Shumer's cock?

You have no fucking clue what your typical Tea Party member wants, you're too stuck up to understand what "fly over" country really wants from the government.

You can keep your gun bans, high taxes, high crime rates, and filth in NYC, we don't care. Just keep your pussified ideology to yourself.

Nope,no interest at all in sucking Chuckie's dick...and as far as being a "typical ass licking cowardly NY Liberal" allow me to suggest that you travel to NY some time and run that by a few of my fellow New Yorker's....I can even suggest some nicer parts of the city for you to do so!
Last I checked.....in my America I'm allowed to spout my "ideology" where ever I like and from what ever soap box is available to me.Now it is my understanding that you are free to not read it if you so choose....but do not presume to tell me what I can and can not do concerning it....or anything else for that matter!

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:07:29 AM

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~ Fast History ~

Vote By Party - 1964 Civil Rights Act:

The two numbers in each line of this list refer to the number of representatives voting in favor and against the act, respectively:

Senate: 77–19

Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)
House: 333–85

Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)
Conference Report:

Senate: 79–18

Democrats: 49–17 (four Southern Democrats voted in favor: Albert Gore, Sr., Ross Bass, George Smathers and Ralph Yarborough).
Republicans: 30–1 (the lone nay was Strom Thurmond; John Tower who did not vote was paired as a nay vote with Eugene McCarthy who would have voted in favor.)
House: 328–74

Democrats: 217–54
Republicans: 111–20

The House of Representatives debated the bill for nine days and rejected nearly one hundred amendments designed to weaken the bill before passing H.R .7152 on February 10, 1964. Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success. This same arrangement would prove crucial later to the Senate's approval of the bill.

The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:14:17 AM

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Merc I have to ask,what is the relevance of that information...the parties are far different now than they were than....no more "Dixiecrats" and far too many religious right on the Republican side.
American political parties have gone thru a sea change since that vote...due in part to that vote.Johnson twisting Democrat's arms in support of the bill lost the Democratic party the white vote in the south...and gave birth to the Republican's southern strategy of Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips.....yanno the famed "states rights" bullshit they fed to dissafected and scared southern white voters.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:17:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Greece could print more money too, for all the good it would do them. But even if things don't get that bad how much fun do spiraling inflation, soaring interest rates and staggering tax rates sound when it finally comes time to pay the piper?

The sooner we face the music on this the better.

You just posted in another thread about changing the subject.

I responded to a poster claiming we would default, like Greece:

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there will be no choice other than to default on our debt, much like Greece.

I said:

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Not at all like Greece.

Greece isn't 1/5 of the world's economy, for one thing. Bring the deficit and debt down, yes. But we are ages away from default.

Long before that would happen, we'd have trouble borrowing money, and interest rates would soar. Instead, interest rates are still quite low.

You then claimed "just like Greece," posting an article link that instead exactly supported what I had already said, that default is not going to happen, that interest rates and difficulty finding investors would be the problem.

I also, in my original response, noted that yes, we need to bring the deficit and debt down.

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Greece could print more money too, for all the good it would do them

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No, they can't. They are part of the European Union. It's not that simple.

Greece also doesn't have the assets to support such borrowing. As big as U.S. borrowing is, and agreed that it needs to come down, we are a $14 trillion dollar economy--in a world economy of only $60 trillion. Our financial position is immensely better than Greece's.

Ill advised? Yes. Needs to change? Yes. The road to default? Hardly.

Also---we've already bought our way out of two recessions in the 21st century with monetary policy. When the third one hit, 2008-2009 (ending with the second quarter), we had nowhere left to go, with interest rates near the bottom.

Again, a long way from Greece's situation.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:18:09 AM

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You've got to love historical revision by omission

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:30:02 AM

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Merc I have to ask,what is the relevance of that information...the parties are far different now than they were than....no more "Dixiecrats" and far too many religious right on the Republican side.

Great question - I'd answer it with another similarly relevant. What's the point of discussing 1964 as a reference to an image of 'America'?

The highest tax bracket was a 90%; I'd LOVE to go back to that and guarantee I may draw less income from my business, but would have a higher standard of living. Yet I'd hate to go back to that era because of the blatant prejudice and racial bias.

It also serves to illustrate a time when there was a clear distinction between the parties; however the individuals on both sides of the aisle didn't have to check with their paymaster special interest PAC groups before expressing an opinion or voting. Currently - there is no distinction and every vote, individually and collectively is determined by agenda.

Or I could have a simpler motivation - revisionist history, and 20/20 hindsight seems to be a common response technique when discussing current issues. "Bush did it", "Bush caused it", are given as valid cause/effect of the deficit, the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq, GITMO, the economy, unemployment, stagnant private industry growth, poverty, devalued dollar, China trade deficit, Iranian nuclear capability, global warming, and my dog having fleas. Apparently history is easier to blame than those currently in positions of power. I bring up history only to point to quantitative, pragmatic, reference. All those condemning Republican history with disdain should appreciate the real history which obviously isn't discussed or taught in the current indoctrination public school dogma.

Neither party resembles what they were in 1964 - but the history shouldn't be denied or discounted by the apologists on either side.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:32:42 AM

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If the subject is rising deficits and she is asking how those that are saying as a party or a coalition tha we need to lower them have demonstrated their domain of this in the past, so as to judge how they might fare in the future, it is hardly red herring, it is decidedly on topic.

Ron

And he still did not answer the questions, simple as they were. Just disappeared then reappeared, pretending they did not exist.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:42:09 AM

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"Bush did it", "Bush caused it", are given as valid cause/effect of the deficit, the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq, GITMO, the economy, unemployment, stagnant private industry growth, poverty, devalued dollar, China trade deficit, Iranian nuclear capability, global warming, and my dog having fleas.

I have to run now, but actually, Reagan did it. His own economic people later admitted it was a failure, but people like the sound of Reagan's voice, and politicians noticed.

Bush/Cheney recreated Reagan/Nixon policies, knowing they could get away with them.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:45:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Greece could print more money too, for all the good it would do them. But even if things don't get that bad how much fun do spiraling inflation, soaring interest rates and staggering tax rates sound when it finally comes time to pay the piper?

The sooner we face the music on this the better.

Greece has some gold. California does not.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 8:58:45 AM

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Its in the bank in the middle of beverly hills,
in somebody elses name.

Oakridge Boys.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 9:23:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Its in the bank in the middle of beverly hills,
in somebody elses name.

Oakridge Boys.

almost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0HIjCsljyo

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 9:47:25 AM

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~FR

March 19 - 22 Bloomberg Poll

Deficit Reduction Question: I’m going to mention some general approaches that could be considered to help decrease the deficit—some of which may mean a sacrifice for you and your household. For each, please tell me if you think this approach should be strongly considered, just considered, or taken off the table. (Read list. Rotate.)

Remove the cap on the Social Security tax so that wageearners
who make more than $107,000 a year continue
to pay into Social Security

Strongly Considered 36 Considered 42 Taken off Table 18 Not Sure 4

Continue to provide basic coverage for people on
Medicare, but require them to pay more for health
services beyond basic care

Strongly Considered 12 Considered 35 Taken off Table 52 Not Sure 1

Raise the age at which people become eligible for
Medicare from 65 to 67

Strongly Considered 14 Considered 32 Taken off Table 53 Not Sure 1

Allow the tax rate for the highest income earners to go
back up to where it was 10 years ago

Strongly Considered 36 Considered 32 Taken off Table 26 Not Sure 6

Raise the income tax rate on middle-class Americans by
2%

Strongly Considered 9 Considered 25 Taken off Table 65 Not Sure 1

Eliminate the income tax deduction for home mortgages

Strongly Considered 13 Considered 30 Taken off Table 55 Not Sure 2

Cut federal spending on roads, bridges and public
transportation

Strongly Considered 16 Considered 38 Taken off Table 45 Not Sure 1

Reduce annual cost of living increases for Social Security
participants

Strongly Considered 17 Considered 35 Taken off Table 45 Not Sure 1

Add a penny-an-ounce tax on sugar-sweetened drinks,
meaning 12 cents for a 12-ounce can of soda

Strongly Considered 29 Considered 28 Taken off Table 42 Not Sure 1

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 9:54:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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"Bush did it", "Bush caused it", are given as valid cause/effect of the deficit, the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq, GITMO, the economy, unemployment, stagnant private industry growth, poverty, devalued dollar, China trade deficit, Iranian nuclear capability, global warming, and my dog having fleas.

I have to run now, but actually, Reagan did it. His own economic people later admitted it was a failure, but people like the sound of Reagan's voice, and politicians noticed.

Bush/Cheney recreated Reagan/Nixon policies, knowing they could get away with them.

Does it serve your agenda to point something out like this? It indicates that the Democrats either as a majority party in Congress, or as President either followed the same path, as Obama did with Bush Stimulus II, were complicit, or impotent. Which one is your preference choice?

Or has the revisionist history being taught gotten to the point that there was never a Democratic President or majority in either house of Congress since Reagan?

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 9:55:54 AM

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Something Obama should watch sometime.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 9:56:39 AM

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Merc, you are everything i despise in another human being. you care only for yourself, believe people are broke because they are lazy and incompetent.

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They provide school children meals because parents are too lazy, can't be bothered, or have other priorities more important than providing food for them.

So lets allow the children to suffer because YOU feel people are too lazy. A hungry child cannot learn. But fuck them, right Merc? Best they dont learn because they will end up like their parents anyways, poor, lazy and incompetent. Isnt that what you are saying Merc? Fuck the little children? I mean, you got yours... screw everyone else, right?

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In private industry unions have a valuable place. They must cooperate with management or, as in the case of GM, the union workers are out of work. In the public sector they leach off the public trust and become a sanctimonious voting block supporting any candidate that will raise their benefits and pay structure. They have no 'boss' and no accountability.

Teamsters ring a bell? And im not talking about the one you see today.

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You make a decision - you live with the consequence; ranging from the number of children you have, to affording college for them. You buy a house, or commit to any other contract, you live by it's stipulations, understanding it yourself or hiring an attorney to interpret for you.

On this issue, i agree. Remember that the next time a corporation gets into trouble... or your favorite investment house scams you.

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Sorry you feel persecuted and held back, and/or are envious. I can't address those problems or your perspective - it's a YOU problem or one which would be easier resolved without now fully disclosed government goal of "redistributing wealth". I'd agree it is the 'middle class', not working for the government or as a public employee union member, which is incurring the majority of the redistribution.

Everything you have been whining about for pages has been a YOU problem. You dont like this, you dont like that, people are lazy, incompetent, ect... its YOUR opinion founded in Merc land once again.

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Many - you just surrender them willingly. You can't drive a car without a seatbelt; you can't drive a motorcycle without a helmet. You MUST send your children to school, or provide home schooling directed to a government sanctioned curriculum. A man can walk down the street without a shirt - a woman can't. You can't build a house without it meeting the local government standards. Drugs you use must meet arbitrary government standards regarding their legality, or access over the counter or through prescription. Under the new Law you must purchase health insurance or be subject to penalties ranging from fines to incarceration. Enough, or do you need more examples? One more that fits into your next point - the government decides who you can and can't marry based on gender.

And everyong of these has feed that capitalist machine you love and hold so dear, Merc. Give it up. You spout like your preaching while your hand is in the collection plate. How many of these types of companies are in your portfolio?

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Affirmative action for one - a black or woman is 'more equal' in the eyes of many employers because they must have a quota of them employed to qualify for government contracts.

And here we have the crutch of it all. And any small buisness doesnt have to hire anyone they dont want too, as long as they dont tip their hand and prove thats its racially based. Small businesses hire what percentage of the labor force?

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 10:15:37 AM

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~FR

March 19 - 22 Bloomberg Poll

OK...I'll handle this:

Thanks for the timely and pertinent poll, tee.

De Nada

What does this poll say to you?

It's interesting to me because I think it underscores what may be underneath all of the underlying bad feelings.

What it says to me is maybe we're all a bunch of babies who want someone else to take necessary pain.

What do you think other people think of this poll, tee?

Let's ask them! What do you other people think of this poll?

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 10:24:07 AM

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Merc, you are everything i despise in another human being. you care only for yourself, believe people are broke because they are lazy and incompetent.

Considering the source - I am honored. Personally you're too irrelevant in your ignorance to waste the effort to "despise". I'll continue however to have sympathy for you living in your ignorance and naiveté.

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So lets allow the children to suffer because YOU feel people are too lazy. A hungry child cannot learn. But fuck them, right Merc

I guess you would because you make it the governments position to provide charity. Me - I give significantly to charity and would continue to do so for worthwhile issues such as childhood nutrition, even if it were not tax deductible. Meanwhile I'll continue to point out the irresponsibility of people who expect others to provide for their own children. If I did despise anyone it would be those who do not provide for their families.

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Teamsters ring a bell? And im not talking about the one you see today.

If the 'Teamsters' managed to negotiate the bankruptcy of the private industries they used to serve - I would expect no different now that they've moved into the public sector for membership. The point remains, in the public sector the unions are bankrupting the government at every level.

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On this issue, i agree. Remember that the next time a corporation gets into trouble... or your favorite investment house scams you.

I've never forgotten it. If you've managed to learn it - congratulations!

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Everything you have been whining about for pages has been a YOU problem. You dont like this, you dont like that, people are lazy, incompetent, ect... its YOUR opinion founded in Merc land once again.

"Whining and pages" - projecting yourself again are you? Why would I whine? I'm extremely happy, content, and thriving. Most of my recommendations for addressing all these issues would have a more detrimental impact on me. However, if pointing them out is troubling to you, if you are a failure, or consider your situation bad; that is a YOU problem.

I LOVE that people are lazy, incompetent, and want to rely on the government. Using those fundamental facts generates most of my personal success. Being a pragmatist, I know people like you don't realize you are being used, and actually desire to be used more. People like you make strategically investing in the ultimate corporate beneficiaries an easy task.

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And everyone of these has feed that capitalist machine you love and hold so dear, Merc. Give it up. You spout like your preaching while your hand is in the collection plate. How many of these types of companies are in your portfolio?

As many as I can afford. Why not? More people like you, stupid enough to support politicians and political movements counter productive to personal achievements, are being indoctrinated every day by the current educational system.

As I said, most of my positions would be detrimental to my personal finances. However as long as you, and your ilk are out there on the front lines holding the positions my portfolio will continue to be very healthy - thank you!

Knowing it pisses you off to the point of generating emotions to "despise me" - encourages me to continue, expound, and expand! I'm a sadist you know!

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And here we have the crutch of it all. And any small business doesnt have to hire anyone they dont want too, as long as they dont tip their hand and prove thats its racially based. Small businesses hire what percentage of the labor force?

A "crutch"? No matter....must be the negative emotions clouding your thinking.

As an investor and owner of a few "small businesses"; we can't afford to hire, especially now, based on race or gender. We hire based upon results. I go further since when I was in the big corporate world, woman and minorities I hired and promoted suffered from the mistaken belief that their race and/or gender was a factor in my decision. I tell them outright and specifically, that it wasn't. I've never, big or little business, seen or even heard about race/gender based hiring. Nobody can afford that mentality except one - the government. When results aren't important you can prejudice your decision by attempting social engineering. It doesn't serve the individual or society, and ignorance is the basis for its support.

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 10:24:43 AM

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About children and housing:

Very weak my friend… From the government website.

”Any child at a participating school may purchase a meal through the National School Lunch
Program. Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level
are eligible for free meals. Those with incomes between 130 percent and 185 percent of the
poverty level are eligible for reduced‐price meals, for which students can be charged no
more than 40 cents.”

Oh the waste…children eating good meals…what will the government do next to our civil liberties…I want another B2 bomber with that money!!! Remember the mandate… "promote the general welfare".

Private banking taking advantage of home buyers by selling them property they know they can’t afford…hoping that that can take as much money from them before they go under then sell the same house to the next sucker… Then begging my money when the housing market crashed…poor bankers…here have another trillion. Yes homebuyers must be responsible but so should predatory sellers.

About Unions:

What unions are you talking about…you are not making sense? What is a private sector union and what is a public sector union. Unions have given in time and time again to save industry…especially the transportation unions. Unions have not broken this countries industry alone there is plenty of blame to go around.

You must not have any experience with public employee unions… they live under a different set of rules than private unions otherwise you would not talk nonsense.

About bailouts:

I do feel held back when my tax money is used to bail out private businesses run badly. Both side of congress are the blame for this and it makes no difference if it is today or 50 years ago.

About Personal accountabilities:

I agree with you here but what does this have to do with going back?

About charity:

So? …Meaning our government reflects its people.

About Personal choice:

You know you are being silly here…no need to comment.

About Gay marriage:

I agree with you again except the premise of the OP was going back… this was never legal…that is my point.

About affirmative action:

It is time for it to end I’ll agree. I also believe it was a fair program that has served its purpose over the years to help rectify the very real detrimental legacy of slavery and discrimination.

Of course there are two sides to any thinking and each has merit but your points did not match the Op’s contention of going back to what. Many of things you talked about have always been… and can’t be applied to only one party or the other.

Butch

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RE: Which America? - 3/31/2010 10:37:12 AM

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Oh the waste…children eating good meals…what will the government do next to our civil liberties…I want another B2 bomber with that money!!! Remember the mandate…Provide for the common good.

Both the B2 Bomber and the school lunch program have a common denominator. They benefit and provide Corporate welfare. The money for both would be better served in the hands of the taxpayers, and not the corporations providing the 'free lunches', or the Bombers.

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Private banking taking advantage of home buyers by selling them property they know they can’t afford…hoping that that can take as much money from them before they go under then sell the same house to the next sucker… Then begging my money when the housing market crashed…poor bankers…

The house buyer were forced into the houses and the mortgages? No - they sought the overpriced house, and lived in it through an overpriced mortgages.

The one party what was "forced" were the Banks/Mortgages lenders by Barnie Frank and his committee; unless you want to revise that history. His position was that every citizen should have get a house and mortgage even if they couldn't afford to pay for it. They required, under penalty, that the financial institutions lend with government guarantees.

Now my position was to let those financial institutions fail and not be bailed out, but the government, and this Administration decided not to; more than likely because it would come out that their policies were the primary contributory force. However that's an opinion and not fact.

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What unions are you talking about…you are not making sense? What is a private sector union and what is a public sector union

Sorry - I keep forgetting that so many children have been left behind....

A public sector union represents people working for the government and/or tax payer funded entities.
A private sector union represents people working in industries and or businesses which require profits.

One needs to have a viable entity to support it. One only needs politicians and tax sources. I'll let you figure out which group doesn't have a symbiotic relationship with its source of income.

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Meaning our government reflects its people.

No it doesn't and never has; it always represents SOME people.

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points did not match the Op’s contention

Correct - My original points did, however you asked a question of my perspective and I answered expanding upon my perspective. If you don't want to know - don't ask.

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