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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/4/2010 5:52:10 PM   
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now there is a lunatic post that completely mischaracterizes and misrepresents anything I have ever said on the matter.

do you feel better now?




I'll feel better when you leave here or die

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/4/2010 6:14:25 PM   
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168 people where? Waco? There were only 76 people in the Mount Carmel Center following David Koresh, and they were not sovereign citizens, they were an offshoot of the Branch Davidian referred to as students of the seven seals or as David Koresh later said they should be referred to as Koreshians.

well if your numbers are correct then I stand corrected not that it changes the context in any way in what I pointed out.



I never said I condoned or believed the massacre at Waco was justified. You are under the misguided idea that at some point I had.

Then why do you justify the thugs?


However, you clearly have labeled a police officer doing his duty a thug and said that his murder was justified, that pretty much explains a lot about you and your beliefs.


How do you know he was doing his duty?  I have yet to see a police officer do his duty with me forcing the issue and never with anyone who does not know how to handle the situation.


The FBI just had a talk with the leading people who initiated the restore america plan and it was a nice talk I hear.


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/4/2010 7:47:22 PM   
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that was supposed to read:

How do you know he was doing his duty?  I have yet to see a police officer do his duty withOUT me forcing the issue and never with anyone who does not know how to handle the situation.

That was in reference to civil, traffic etc.


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/4/2010 8:07:31 PM   
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So, you condone and support the murder of a police officer?

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/4/2010 8:20:08 PM   
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So, you condone and support the murder of a police officer?


ok so how did you have to rearrange shit to come up with that off the wall conclusion?


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/4/2010 8:46:08 PM   
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Furthermore, the Sovereign Citizen movement has some rather interesting followers, Terry Nichols, (friend and accomplice of Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber Timothy McVeigh) Linda Lyon Block and George Sibley (who murdered an Opelika, Alabama, police officer,) George Wolf (shot two volunteer firefighters in Ashtabula County, Ohio, because their vehicle blocked him,) the Montana Freemen (held off federal authorities attempting to arrest them (on a variety of charges) for 81 days near Jordan, Montana,) Richard McLaren (his group of followers, the so-called "Republic of Texas" initiated another armed confrontation in far-West Texas when they kidnapped a local couple in response to the arrest of one of their members. One of the group's members was killed in the standoff.)

Yeh that is really to bad that the thugs would infringe on peoples rights and force them to take up arms against them.




There are your words, Real, clearly you condone the murder of a police officer who was just doing his job.

Oh, just to make sure you have all the facts:

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Block, 54, and her common-law husband, George Sibley Jr., were on the run after failing to appear on a domestic battery charge.

At trial, Sibley and Block, who has said she prefers the name Lynda Lyon, said they fired at Motley and his patrol car in self- defense after the officer touched his holster. But witnesses said Sibley fired shots first and Block joined in the shootout after the officer was wounded.


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Block, 54, and her common-law husband, George Sibley Jr., were on the run after failing to appear on a domestic battery charge. With Block's 9 year old son in the car, they stopped so Block could use the telephone in a Walmart parking lot. Opelika Police Sergeant Roger Lamar Motley had just finished lunch and was shopping for supplies for the jail when a woman came up to him and told him there was a car in the parking lot with a little boy inside. The woman was worried about him. She was afraid that the family was living in their car. Would he check on them? Motley cruised up and down the rows of parked cars and finally pulled up behind the Mustang. Sibley was in the car with the boy, waiting for Block to finish a call to a friend from a pay phone in front of the store. Motley asked Sibley for his drivers license. Sibley said he didn't need one. He was trying to explain why when Motley put his hand on his service revolver. Sibley reached into the car and pulled out a gun. Motley uttered a four-letter expletive and spun away to take cover behind his cruiser. Sibley crouched by the bumper of the Mustang. People in the parking lot screamed, hid beneath their cars and ran back into the store as the men began firing at each other. Preoccupied by the threat in front of him, Motley did not see Lynda Block until the very last moment. She had dropped the phone, pulling the 9mm Glock pistol from her bag as she ran toward the scene, firing. Motley turned. She remembered later how surprised he looked. She kept on firing. She could tell that a bullet struck him in the chest. Staggering, he reached into the cruiser. She kept on firing, thinking he was trying to get a shotgun. But he was grabbing for the radio. "Double zero," he managed to say -- the code for help. He died in a nearby hospital that afternoon. In letters to friends and supporters, Block later would describe Motley as a "bad cop" and a wife beater with multiple complaints against him. As part of the conspiracy against her, she said, she was prohibited from bringing up his record in court. His personnel file makes no mention of any misbehavior. His wife says he was a kind and patient man. Both Block and Sibley received deeath sentences. True to their "patriot" ideologies, Block waived her appeals. She has refused to accept the validity of Alabama’s judicial system, claiming that Alabama never became a state again after the Civil War. She has been completely non-cooperative with her court-appointed attorney, who nevertheless attempted to work against her death sentence. First execution of a female in Alabama since 1957. She is the 9th female executed in the U.S. since reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976.


Now, tell me if you condone the act of these two in the murder of this officer who had not drawn his weapon. While I am sure you will be more than willing to insult me some more, there was no justification for shooting this officer.

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 9:13:50 AM   
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so you dont understand the difference between a defense and condoning an action


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 11:51:04 AM   
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Defending the murder is the same as condoning it. I cant defend the massacre at Waco, which means I sure as hell cant condone it.

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 2:11:34 PM   
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Defending the murder is the same as condoning it. I cant defend the massacre at Waco, which means I sure as hell cant condone it.


me defend murder?  WTF you smoking?

You defend thugs?  Clear as glass.





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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 2:17:34 PM   
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me defend murder?  WTF you smoking?


Logic, I think.

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 2:55:38 PM   
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me defend murder?  WTF you smoking?


Logic, I think.



more like he is confused.




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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 4:11:10 PM   
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Real, others seem to think the same thing, you condone and defend capital murder.

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 4:23:31 PM   
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Real, others seem to think the same thing, you condone and defend capital murder.


you got a few others in your pocket?

tell em to come on over and make a case if they think they have one.


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 4:29:39 PM   
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Your own words make it clear, first you accuse law enforcement officers as being thugs, then you say the people were within their rights to kill them. That is condoning and defending capital murder.

Of course, I also regret that I served in the military to defend this country for the likes of you. If you are so dead set against this country, the laws of this country, and the people who enforce those laws, might I suggest you find a country to your liking and move there, I am sure you wont be missed.

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 5:09:04 PM   
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Your own words make it clear, first you accuse law enforcement officers as being thugs, then you say the people were within their rights to kill them. That is condoning and defending capital murder.


Really? How about you quote that?  we all need a laugh.

Of course, I also regret that I served in the military to defend this country for the likes of you. If you are so dead set against this country, the laws of this country, and the people who enforce those laws, might I suggest you find a country to your liking and move there, I am sure you wont be missed.


Nothing wrong with any of that the way I read it. But then its doubtful you realize that you did not say what you think you said.




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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 5:19:09 PM   
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Yeh that is really to bad that the thugs would infringe on peoples rights and force them to take up arms against them.



Do you deny that you are saying that the police officer who was murdered was a thug? And that the people were within their rights shooting said officer?

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 6:28:23 PM   
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Yeh that is really to bad that the thugs would infringe on peoples rights and force them to take up arms against them.



Do you deny that you are saying that the police officer who was murdered was a thug? And that the people were within their rights shooting said officer?


we can dance all day on that and in the end you will lose know why?  NOT WHAT I SAID.  NOT IN THE SAME CONTEXT.  HELL NOT EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET.


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 7:37:47 PM   
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Furthermore, the Sovereign Citizen movement has some rather interesting followers, Terry Nichols, (friend and accomplice of Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber Timothy McVeigh) Linda Lyon Block and George Sibley (who murdered an Opelika, Alabama, police officer,) George Wolf (shot two volunteer firefighters in Ashtabula County, Ohio, because their vehicle blocked him,) the Montana Freemen (held off federal authorities attempting to arrest them (on a variety of charges) for 81 days near Jordan, Montana,) Richard McLaren (his group of followers, the so-called "Republic of Texas" initiated another armed confrontation in far-West Texas when they kidnapped a local couple in response to the arrest of one of their members. One of the group's members was killed in the standoff.)

Yeh that is really to bad that the thugs would infringe on peoples rights and force them to take up arms against them.





There are YOUR words in response to what I posted, do you deny what you said, what it was in the response to? It is post 92 of this thread on page 5 of this thread. There is no other context than the statement you made. It is clear and to the point.

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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 8:57:55 PM   
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latest news,

the supreme court is waiting for their copy of the restore america paperwork!

This is getting good!  Keeping my ear to the track!


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RE: FBI warns letters to governors could stir violence - 4/5/2010 9:28:01 PM   
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In other words, Jeff, you won't get a response.

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