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Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 4:37:18 PM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/pregnant-man-thomas-beati_n_457478.html

Alright, being pregnant is inherently female in terms of gender activity and politics and yet this person still professes to be a "man".

I have my own opinions about this particular piece and can and am often quite offensive about it.

What's your take on the guy that keeps having kids?


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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 4:42:48 PM   
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pathetic, selfish sensationalist without any regard for the consequences of the children he bears.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 4:42:54 PM   
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I'm confused by it but if it works for him and his then I say good for them.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 4:44:45 PM   
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Even as a gender queer individual, it's hard for me to swallow a person declaring they are male and then doing the one thing men can't do. I'm just under the personal impression that men don't *have* kids and *women* do. Therefor, to me, he must be female.

That's my opinion.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 4:48:26 PM   
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Well, sounds like he's found a new definition.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 4:50:56 PM   
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Even as a gender queer individual, it's hard for me to swallow a person declaring they are male and then doing the one thing men can't do. I'm just under the personal impression that men don't *have* kids and *women* do. Therefor, to me, he must be female.

That's my opinion.

boi


I understand your opinion and personally I agree. I find there to be something more than faintly uncomfortable about the whole situation. But if this family was someone I knew then I'd try to accept them as I expect people in my life to accept me for who I am.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 5:01:04 PM   
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quote:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/pregnant-man-thomas-beati_n_457478.html

Alright, being pregnant is inherently female in terms of gender activity and politics and yet this person still professes to be a "man".

I have my own opinions about this particular piece and can and am often quite offensive about it.

What's your take on the guy that keeps having kids?




BoiJen, he's a fucking slut who can't keep his legs closed?

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 5:02:03 PM   
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quote:

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I understand your opinion and personally I agree. I find there to be something more than faintly uncomfortable about the whole situation. But if this family was someone I knew then I'd try to accept them as I expect people in my life to accept me for who I am.


I don't know if it's something I could deal with...even if this was a family member. I mean, I'd try to be respectful and if I couldn't, I wouldn't expose the family member to my opinion nor, by any means, would I subject their kids to my opinion or remove any monetary support I would give any other family member if they needed it. But I simply don't think I could accept a "man" in my family being pregnant. Transitioning...fine. I'm all for being who you are. But BE who you are, don't play some half assed "I want to be but..." game that amounts to the same kind of sensationalism the Octo-mom ends up in.

It's definitely something I can't support emotionally on a personal level. I won't abandon my family if they need financial support but I'm also not going to feed into something that I see as an unhealthy situation. I can't fathom a person deciding they're going to be a "man" and then repeatedly getting pregnant as "healthy".

Prolly my own biases,

boi


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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 5:11:54 PM   
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I understand your opinion and personally I agree. I find there to be something more than faintly uncomfortable about the whole situation. But if this family was someone I knew then I'd try to accept them as I expect people in my life to accept me for who I am.


I don't know if it's something I could deal with...even if this was a family member. I mean, I'd try to be respectful and if I couldn't, I wouldn't expose the family member to my opinion nor, by any means, would I subject their kids to my opinion or remove any monetary support I would give any other family member if they needed it. But I simply don't think I could accept a "man" in my family being pregnant. Transitioning...fine. I'm all for being who you are. But BE who you are, don't play some half assed "I want to be but..." game that amounts to the same kind of sensationalism the Octo-mom ends up in.

It's definitely something I can't support emotionally on a personal level. I won't abandon my family if they need financial support but I'm also not going to feed into something that I see as an unhealthy situation. I can't fathom a person deciding they're going to be a "man" and then repeatedly getting pregnant as "healthy".

Prolly my own biases,

boi


Are you sure its the gender role stuff that is making you uncomfortable and not the exhibitionism of this particular person? The reason I ask is that I certainly see some similiarities between your gender queerness and the ambiguity being expressed by this person.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 7:44:07 PM   
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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 7:45:04 PM   
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quote:

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Are you sure its the gender role stuff that is making you uncomfortable and not the exhibitionism of this particular person? The reason I ask is that I certainly see some similarities between your gender queerness and the ambiguity being expressed by this person.


I think it might be both. My gender queerness actually has little to do with my own feelings about someone choosing a defined role such as "man" and "woman" to identify themselves. Society has defined these roles...it's why I choose the term "boi", it's the pre-defined gender term I identify with. "Man" is pre-defined and so is "woman", "girl", "boy" and so on. "Trans" is even a pretty broad term but most trans men I've talked to about this particular issue find it pretty offensive that this person still uses the "trans" umbrella as an identifier. Some of the trans women I've talked to feel like it's a general mockery of the work they've had to do as individuals and a community.

The idea behind transitioning is that it's not some half way move. Yeah the surgeries come in stages, but it's about a solidified gender identity issue where the body and it's functions don't match with the feelings and personal identifications of the person transitioning. There is no half way for the VAST majority who transition. And by vast I mean if you poll trans men and trans women who are in some stage of transitioning, you're going to have one hell of a time finding someone who uses their original sex organs in any manner that would be considered sex; up to and including the functions of those organs in the reproductive cycle. In all honesty, I've not talked to in passing or talked to intimate trans friends who would even consider it a possibility much less a goal and none of them have ever met anyone who in transitioning that would consider using their original sex organs out of anything other than necessity for daily function.

Men don't dream of being able to get pregnant. It's never been a goal of theirs because it's not male to do so. It's female. Wemn don't dream of impregnating other women in order to fulfill a lineage. Because to do so is male. And by dream I don't mean fantasize, I mean make it part of one's life goals.

My gender queerness is firmly planted and with clear boundaries. I can see how someone who hasn't talked with me intimately and extensively can make the quick jump but anyone who has had that conversation with me knows very clearly that there is no connection to be made between this person's potential instability (as I see it) and lack of clear personal boundaries ( as I see it) and my very clear boundaries that leave little room for ambiguity.

Hope that makes sense.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 8:07:22 PM   
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i think i just threw up in my mouth...

the guy used to be female, therefore, has the parts to make it happen. I say we study his offspring because this is totally fugged up. How funny his last name is Beatie and you put this info on a bdsm site...


One thang, the quote, "Hiding a pregnant man is like hiding an 800-pound gorilla," really, it ain't, come to Wisconsin baby, most men look about 8 months pregnant up here....

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 9:08:47 PM   
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According to the article his/ her clitoris turned into a small penis as a result of testosterone treatments?

Needless to say I'm not sure what that means.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 9:25:08 PM   
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I don't see him as a man, I say "him" only because there's no gender-neutral pronoun...I don't see him as a woman either. I see transgendered people as transgendered people, outside of the binary gender construction, and while in general if someone identifies as a woman or a man I will use those pronouns and refer to them that way to not hurt their feelings, personally I will always consider them a transgendered individual.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 9:40:50 PM   
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i think i just threw up in my mouth...

the guy used to be female, therefore, has the parts to make it happen. I say we study his offspring because this is totally fugged up. How funny his last name is Beatie and you put this info on a bdsm site...


One thang, the quote, "Hiding a pregnant man is like hiding an 800-pound gorilla," really, it ain't, come to Wisconsin baby, most men look about 8 months pregnant up here....


It would be pretty 'fugged up' to have strangers constantly probing you, that is, for things that are fugged up.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 9:42:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetboundesire

i think i just threw up in my mouth...

the guy used to be female, therefore, has the parts to make it happen. I say we study his offspring because this is totally fugged up. How funny his last name is Beatie and you put this info on a bdsm site...


One thang, the quote, "Hiding a pregnant man is like hiding an 800-pound gorilla," really, it ain't, come to Wisconsin baby, most men look about 8 months pregnant up here....


It would be pretty 'fugged up' to have strangers constantly probing you, that is, for things that are fugged up.


Then again, he could have just dressed as a woman until the pregnancy is complete to avoid the issue and any undue attention.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 9:54:18 PM   
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Actually, the male seahorse is the one that carries the young throughout gestation and gives birth.

He's a friggin' seahorse!  Holy shit!  Quick, get him back into water before he suffocates!


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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/2/2010 9:57:12 PM   
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BoiJen, seeing as there are plenty of people out there who consider your choice unhealthy, a mockery and would question your mental stability for making it, I'm rather surprised that you're so willing to turn around and do the same thing to someone else.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/3/2010 4:20:29 AM   
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According to the article his/ her clitoris turned into a small penis as a result of testosterone treatments?

Needless to say I'm not sure what that means.


The clitoris is the same basic material as forms part of the penis if, in the womb, the fetus is male and there are no issues of androgen failure. Its all quite amazing the things that can go awry in the process of turning a fetus from the default female into a male.

An adult woman exposed to androgens will find her periods stop, her womb will deteriorate, her voice will break, she will develop male pattern body hair (including facial hair) and that her clitoris will become larger. It used to be a problem mainly identified with female body builders and certain athletes who abused hormone treatments in order to compete. The clitoris doesnt become a penis as a male will have - but will become larger.

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RE: Gender Politics: He's pregnant AGAIN - 4/3/2010 5:38:52 AM   
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Yea, this is nuts.  And as you stated in one of your links, he mocks all the hard work and tears up the pavement that transgendered people have already suffered through, choosing to keep his female innards to ride the fence like he's doing.

That said, I was tickled by the rant made by Doon Baqi, linked on the same link you posted, BoiJen.....

There are a plethora of topics that are newsworthy. Topics that people should hear about. I am appalled that topics that should be reported are being forsaken for a mendacious propaganda designed to bamboozle readers and make money.
 
There are "stories" that are stealing airtime from far more important, pressing, and real topics.
 
For example, just about every channel is saturated with the pregnant "man."
How simpleminded do you people think we really are? That "man" is not a man. It's a woman.
 
A woman who underwent various procedures in order to look like a man, sort of like the myriad of porn stars that had various surgical enhancements to make them look more like something they are not. This woman has been injected with enough hormone to allow her to grow a mustache. This woman's egg was then fertilized with sperm and she became pregnant.
We are then lied to and told that a "man" (it must be a man, they tell us, since there is clearly a beard) has become pregnant. Has given birth. Has become pregnant again.
 
Call me kookie, but has the media lost all sense of honor?
 
That Donald Trump put up Ms. Hudson's family after their traumatic and horrific experience, that is news. The first woman four star general is news.
 
A woman who got pregnant, gave birth, and got pregnant again is not news, at least not in the way it is presented, and not to all of us. Don't get me wrong, I am happy for her. It's great news (for her and her family). Congratulations. I hope the both kids are healthy and happy and have a long and prosperous life.
 
But please don't tell me a man got pregnant. Please stop wasting our time. Stop dumbing us down.
 
I beseech you to set the example, to raise the bar, to have journalistic standards. There are so many more things that we should be bringing to the attention of the general public.
I would rather know how many civilians have been killed in Iraq since our invasion instead of hearing about a woman (with muscular arms like a man) getting pregnant.
 
I would rather hear about the battle for Alzheimer's disease and how they need money from me and you for further research instead of a woman (pretending to be a man) getting pregnant.
 
Hell, I would even rather hear about the new first puppy than about a woman (with a mustache) getting pregnant.
 
Please don't tell me that a man has gotten pregnant just to get readers to your site.
 
It's dishonest, ugly journalism, and quite frankly, makes me lose faith in you.

It's condescending and insulting and we are better than that, you have to see that.


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