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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:08:00 PM   
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I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


Not nessesarily... If something ia discussed in advance. I had bf that wanted to do a kidnap scene...we discussed ahead of time what was and wasn't acceptable. I gave him the keys to my apartment, all I knew was that it would happen within a 2 week period. He was in high level security work and had access to all sorts of toys.

I was blindfolded and restrained in several different manners and he went to extremes to make me doubt that it was him, to make me believe there were other people in the room.

I was 90% sure it was him and that we were alone... but that 10% was what made it a great mind fuck.


I can understand that 10% nagging at you...Probably because all of the other times you have been kidnapped it wasn't done by him.

How could you have possibly figured out that it was him once you had thoroughly discussed all of the intricacies of the kidnapping and agreed that it would happen within the next two weeks?

Scary fucking shit.

I really like the part where he pretended to act like there were other people around you. I can just see him running around the room speaking in different accents and carrying on a conversation with the rest of his coconspirators....Her Dom shouts out, "Hey Pascaul, you gonna fuck this bitch?"....He then has to run to the other side of the room where he "becomes" Pascual and adopts a really bad spanish accent, "Si, Me always wanted to fucko a gringo en el culo."

I can see him bending over holding his sides totally winded from running around the room, banging the dildo on pipes and walls and throwing shit around the room to give off the illusion of you being in the hands of a bunch of rotten eggs.

Horrible mind fuck. When you got hungry did you ask him to order in some Chinese from your favorite restaurant down the street? Or would that have ruined the spirit of the whole kidnapping affair?

I hope you recovered. It sounds awful.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:24:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are such a sarcastic shit...If you wake up to a blindfold and a gag shoved in your mouth, you're kicking and trying to scream with your arms being pinned and then slapped into restraints... You're not thinking about a conversation you had two weeks ago. When the only voice you here is one of those creepy electronic voices for 4 hours and some faint whispers,.. when one touch is encased in leather another in latex... Yeah, it did my head in...

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:25:16 PM   
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"Mind fuck" is sometimes also used in a more purely psychological/emotional way - focusing on vulnerability, and maybe humiliation play, without a physical aspect, but usually more negatively, like feeling mindfucked by apparent abandonment during a scene, or by punishing someone by giving them the silent treatment for a few days.


I think this is a good definition of the only kind of "mindfuck" I personally find interesting.  The other type, where something terrifying is threatened but something less severe is actually done, just feels like kind of a lame psych-out to me.  In playground terms, it's not even at the level of "Ha ha two for flinching" it's just "Ha ha you flinched.  Wimp." 

But when a mindfuck is a deliberate and effective exploitation of a vulnerability that I know for a fact my partner is perfectly willing and able to exploit, then it becomes more interesting.  The most exciting kinds of mindfucks, I think, tend to feel like perpetual motion machines--where once the process is set in motion the tormentor really needs to do relatively little because the victim's own natural, inevitable thought process and psychological reactions continue to exasperate and intensify the torment inexorably until the entire situation has taken on a significance for the victim far beyond any reasonable interpretation of the predicament.  The notion that even my own poise and capacity for rational thought can be disrupted and turned against me until I'm swimming against my own stream of consciousness (and being borne back ceaselessly) is what gets under my skin.


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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:41:06 PM   
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When the only voice you here is one of those creepy electronic voices for 4 hours and some faint whispers,.. when one touch is encased in leather another in latex... Yeah, it did my head in...


I would I have thought that I had been kidnapped by a habitual smoker. Poor thing caught the cancer and had his voice box removed.

I would have felt sorry for him.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:50:37 PM   
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I completely agree with you domi. I used to meet people who I didn't know in hotel rooms.
I was bound and gagged and all sorts of things were done to me.
I didn't know their last name or even if their first name was really their first name.
I didn't tell anyone I was going there. That was fucking scary. I got off on that. It was pure adrenaline.
I can't have that in my life anymore. Even if I could, I don't want it.
A mind fuck is the closest thing I've found that comes close to that wired, adrenaline rush feeling.
The other alternative is no longer an option for me and since I still and probably will always crave that rush, this is the best.
It's all the more fun doing it with someone that I care for. He has the ability to get me really scared even knowing I'm safe.




We met in the Fall of '06. I believe I called myself Sebastian. If you ever pooped out a set of house keys and a small flashlight I would like them back.

Thanks and 4ever yours,

Sebastian

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:56:10 PM   
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I completely agree with you domi. I used to meet people who I didn't know in hotel rooms.
I was bound and gagged and all sorts of things were done to me.
I didn't know their last name or even if their first name was really their first name.
I didn't tell anyone I was going there. That was fucking scary. I got off on that. It was pure adrenaline.
I can't have that in my life anymore. Even if I could, I don't want it.
A mind fuck is the closest thing I've found that comes close to that wired, adrenaline rush feeling.
The other alternative is no longer an option for me and since I still and probably will always crave that rush, this is the best.
It's all the more fun doing it with someone that I care for. He has the ability to get me really scared even knowing I'm safe.




We met in the Fall of '06. I believe I called myself Sebastian. If you ever pooped out a set of house keys and a small flashlight I would like them back.

Thanks and 4ever yours,

Sebastian


That was you????!!!!!!

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:56:13 PM   
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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/3/2010 7:59:04 PM   
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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 5:14:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey there, I think there are two different kind of mind fucks being discussed: 1- where the possibility of something that crosses limits is hinted at and 2- where something within limits is hinted at in order to create a reaction.

I totally see the point that if there is absolute trust, the mind fuck on the non-consented to stuff just wouldn't work.

At the same time, I LOVE to make a sub flinch and come down with something soft instead.

I really liked the post about the wax scene.  That was the best mind fuck description I've heard in some time.  The activity was within the limits of the sub, so no "fear" but definitely trickery.... and a great reaction from it.

I don't know why but I think that sort of mind fuck is a lot of fun.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 5:30:25 AM   
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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 5:33:56 AM   
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I completely agree with you domi. I used to meet people who I didn't know in hotel rooms.
I was bound and gagged and all sorts of things were done to me.
I didn't know their last name or even if their first name was really their first name.
I didn't tell anyone I was going there. That was fucking scary. I got off on that. It was pure adrenaline.
I can't have that in my life anymore. Even if I could, I don't want it.
A mind fuck is the closest thing I've found that comes close to that wired, adrenaline rush feeling.
The other alternative is no longer an option for me and since I still and probably will always crave that rush, this is the best.
It's all the more fun doing it with someone that I care for. He has the ability to get me really scared even knowing I'm safe.


Telling our grand kids how we met should be interesting

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 5:53:05 AM   
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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 9:52:36 AM   
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I think overall it is a betrayal of trust. I can find better things to do with a sub.


Depends upon who's doing the fucking and how. I've had a couple that to this day, I'm not entirely certain the knife was switched, etc. The bottom line is I walked out in one piece and lived to tell about, but the actual mechanics will forever reamin a mystery. That is the definition of one awesome mindfuck.

I also had one that turned into an unintended mindfuckl of the worst kind, basically a scene that didn't feel right to start with, went places that were bad for me, and ended up being told that was just how I "needed to work through it". That kind of mindfuck is a betrayal of trust.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 11:39:28 AM   
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But when a mindfuck is a deliberate and effective exploitation of a vulnerability that I know for a fact my partner is perfectly willing and able to exploit, then it becomes more interesting.  The most exciting kinds of mindfucks, I think, tend to feel like perpetual motion machines--where once the process is set in motion the tormentor really needs to do relatively little because the victim's own natural, inevitable thought process and psychological reactions continue to exasperate and intensify the torment inexorably until the entire situation has taken on a significance for the victim far beyond any reasonable interpretation of the predicament.  The notion that even my own poise and capacity for rational thought can be disrupted and turned against me until I'm swimming against my own stream of consciousness (and being borne back ceaselessly) is what gets under my skin.


Indeed. To me there is a random mindfuck and a mindfuck within the realm of play. In order to properly pull a mindfuck on someone without long term damage, you need to know them and understand them well.

One of the reasons I love predicament bondage and predicament mental bondage so much is because it permits me to set up a situation in which I can set a mindfuck into action but in a control environment.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 11:49:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		My favorite mindfuck is to answer the phone and act all concerned and shit and tell the sub that her daughter just got into a horrible car accident... We rush to the hospital and when she finds out that her daughter is not even there I scream.....Mindfuck!!! Bitch, you have just been so fucking mindfucked!!! Oh Yeah!! take that shit and eat it up!!!

Then in front of the hospital I proceed to do the "bitch you have been mindfucked dance!" Which happens to be just a slight variation of the "I am not yo baby daddy dance" which is often performed on tv talk shows.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/4/2010 12:52:29 PM   
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Sir has recently done the sharp/dull knife to me and, honestly, it didn't phase me in the least. I trust Him with my life, so when I felt the knife on my thigh, I was like, "Oh. A knife." Never, ever, did I think I was in any danger- He would never damage me. Ever. So, mindfuck fail.

But, outside of play, all the little mindfucks He pulls are wonderful. After years of playing with me and conditioning me, He can make me squirm with a word or look. He can keep me off balance for hours or days by just hinting at an idea in His head. He does it because my squirming and worrying entertains Him.

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RE: Could someone please explain this term to me. - 4/5/2010 7:06:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes
But when a mindfuck is a deliberate and effective exploitation of a vulnerability that I know for a fact my partner is perfectly willing and able to exploit, then it becomes more interesting.  The most exciting kinds of mindfucks, I think, tend to feel like perpetual motion machines--where once the process is set in motion the tormentor really needs to do relatively little because the victim's own natural, inevitable thought process and psychological reactions continue to exasperate and intensify the torment inexorably until the entire situation has taken on a significance for the victim far beyond any reasonable interpretation of the predicament.

I haven't delved into this much, but I've done a lot of things that scare me badly, but with the feeling that my Master is on my side, that he's there for me, so while my heart may pound and my muscles tense, he's there to soothe me back down. The adrenaline and the *effort* and the building of trust and the vulnerability can be very hot, but I agree that a fake-out wouldn't do as much.

I've been genuinely terrified in scenes a couple of times - once when I stunt-bottomed in a class, and even though I was certain the instructor knew what she was doing, the rational part of my mind was nearly overwhelmed when she actually touched me. It wasn't a mindfuck, and I thought I'd be fine, and I knew up-front what she was going to do, but almost broke away from her and ran across the room.

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