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FatDomDaddy -> General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 6:41:29 PM)

Interesting...

But I'd love to see him run.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7549797/David-Petraeus-for-President-Run-General-run.html




thornhappy -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 7:01:15 PM)

That's a whole different game, going from being a general to being a president.  The military's not as into cat-wrangling.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 9:42:30 PM)

There have been twelve Generals who have been President.




DarkSteven -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 9:57:01 PM)

Intriguing article.  But from reading it, I gather that Petraeus is the last person to say that he does not want to be President without meaning it.

FDD, you say that there were twelve.  Off the top of my head, I came up with Ike, Grant, and Washington.  I wish I knew more history.




OrpheusAgonistes -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 10:30:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Intriguing article.  But from reading it, I gather that Petraeus is the last person to say that he does not want to be President without meaning it.

FDD, you say that there were twelve.  Off the top of my head, I came up with Ike, Grant, and Washington.  I wish I knew more history.



People always forget Hamilton, probably because he couldn't even manage to out duel a swaggering dandy like Aaron Burr.  But Hamilton was a Revolutionary War hero.  He was ballsy, brilliant, and above all he was ambitious and there's no better way for the "bastard brat of a Scotch peddler" (as Jefferson described him) to rapidly improve his social status than by distinguishing himself in a War of Independence. 

Off the top of my head, I can think of Zachary Taylor, Jackson, Garfield, Johnson, Pierce, and Harrison (in addition to Washington, Grant, and Ike). The others  I'd have to look up.

Of course times are different now, for a lot of reasons.  It isn't just that the tastes of the voters have changed, nor that the media has changed.  The military itself has changed dramatically.  There's an entirely different skill set these days for top brass than there used to be.  I've had friends describe the ideal general in the army these days to be like "a really badass college president."  Strangely enough, people who have had actual experience with modern warfare are often less able to portray themselves as swashbuckling macho macho men than are the guys who shirked service or who managed to land comfortably (by pluck or luck or, you know, vast family fortunes) far away from combat.

Petraeus, by most accounts, is a hell of a good general.  That doesn't mean he'd be a good President.  More to the point, that doesn't mean he'd have any chance of being elected.  He's taken stances at various points that have enraged both the putative Right and putative Left wings of the American spectrum.  My own impression of him is that he's one of the few grownups left in the American limelight.  It seems like he thinks (and I am not sure I disagree with him) that the job he's doing right now is probably more important than being the CEO of America.

Edit:

Edited to add that  I'm a schmucky airhead who forgot to mention in his long paean to Hamilton that Hamilton never got around to being elected President before his misadveture at Weehawken.  He was, however, the very model of a modern major general and an all-round cool and froody guy on top of that.




Musicmystery -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 10:48:28 PM)

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FDD, you say that there were twelve.  Off the top of my head, I came up with Ike, Grant, and Washington. 


Washington, Jackson, W. Harrison, Taylor, Pierce, A. Johnson, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, B. Harrison, and Eisenhower.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/prestrivia1.html




domiguy -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 11:06:55 PM)

Toby Harnden is a douchebag. Not surprised that you read his shit.

Americans have never been so disgusted with their politicians. More than three-quarters of Americans disapprove of Congress. President Barack Obama's favourability ratings have slumped to below 50 per cent and he is no longer trusted or believed by many who voted for him.




slvemike4u -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 11:45:27 PM)

Edited because I'm a bigger schmuck than Orpheus...and had not noticed he cleaned up his own error......my bad,I saw Hamilton referred to as President and was ust a little bent out of shape over the error.It was like waving a red cape in front of a bull.
Again my apologies......




Justme696 -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 11:51:59 PM)

Morning....

Perhaps I misread..but what political skils does he have?
He sounds more liek the hero type....but that is something different then running a country.

On the other side...why woud he be less then others.




OrpheusAgonistes -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/3/2010 11:52:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Hamilton was President....of what country? Hell,I am well aware he was an aide de camp to Washington...but again what army was he a General in?...certainly not ours.
Nope...Hamilton qualifies in no way shape or form.....he doesn't even come close.


Indeed.  As noted in the edit I added 45 minutes ago, I got so excited talking about what a swell guy Hamilton was I forgot to mention what a shame it was Burr offed him before he got a chance to (officially) run the country.

Though he was, in fact, officially a 2 star (major) general.




slvemike4u -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 12:00:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Hamilton was President....of what country? Hell,I am well aware he was an aide de camp to Washington...but again what army was he a General in?...certainly not ours.
Nope...Hamilton qualifies in no way shape or form.....he doesn't even come close.


Indeed.  As noted in the edit I added 45 minutes ago, I got so excited talking about what a swell guy Hamilton was I forgot to mention what a shame it was Burr offed him before he got a chance to (officially) run the country.

Though he was, in fact, officially a 2 star (major) general.

If you will note I cleaned that up myself...and did apologise...but if I might mention he was not a General(Major or otherwise) during the Revolutionary war.His main claim to fame,and it served him well after the Revolution,was being Washington's most trusted aide de camp during that war.
It was Washington,in retirement, who convinced Adams,against his better judgement ,to appoint Hamilton General of the Armies during the Quasi-War with the French.




OrpheusAgonistes -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 12:09:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Hamilton was President....of what country? Hell,I am well aware he was an aide de camp to Washington...but again what army was he a General in?...certainly not ours.
Nope...Hamilton qualifies in no way shape or form.....he doesn't even come close.


Indeed.  As noted in the edit I added 45 minutes ago, I got so excited talking about what a swell guy Hamilton was I forgot to mention what a shame it was Burr offed him before he got a chance to (officially) run the country.

Though he was, in fact, officially a 2 star (major) general.

If you will note I cleaned that up myself...and did apologise...but if I might mention he was not a General(Major or otherwise) during the Revolutionary was.His main claim to fame,and it served him well after the Revolution,was being Washington's most trusted aide de camp during that war.
It was Washington,in retirement, who convinced Adams,against his better judgement ,to appoint Hamilton General of the Armies during the Quasi-War with the French.


Yeah, absolutely fair enough.  And Adams (according to no less reliable a source than Henry Adams) was wicked pissed about finally agreeing to do that.

I'm wicked pissed that I wrote a whole paragraph that was supposed to culminate in mentioning what a bummer it was Hamilton never got to be Prez and forgot to mention that he, you know, never got to be Prez.  Boneheaded.




slvemike4u -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 12:22:24 AM)

Shit happens....I wrote a post pointing out your error.....and than actually finished reading the damm thing...lol,and saw your edit.So I'm a bigger schmuck...and therefor I win [:D]




FatDomDaddy -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 11:46:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Justme696

Morning....

Perhaps I misread..but what political skils does he have?
He sounds more liek the hero type....but that is something different then running a country.

On the other side...why woud he be less then others.



Political Skills???

WTF are they???

Lying, cheating and backstabbing?




Justme696 -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 11:49:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Morning....

Perhaps I misread..but what political skils does he have?
He sounds more liek the hero type....but that is something different then running a country.

On the other side...why woud he be less then others.



Political Skills???

WTF are they???

Lying, cheating and backstabbing?



guess you didn't vote?
lol




slvemike4u -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 12:00:13 PM)

One can hope.....although I don't see any legal way of stopping him from doing so.......lol




auditguy -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 1:45:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Morning....

Perhaps I misread..but what political skils does he have?
He sounds more liek the hero type....but that is something different then running a country.

On the other side...why woud he be less then others.


My guess, and this is with limited knowledge of both fields, is that a General in charge of a regional command would probably have more political skills then a community organizer.  Added bonus, he is not a lawyer.

In the end we would have to see his political platform, before anyone decided to vote for him.




Musicmystery -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 3:08:37 PM)

quote:

Added bonus, he is not a lawyer.


The electorate seems to disagree--

Twenty-six Presidents were lawyers before becoming president.

That's 60%--26 out of 43 [BARACK OBAMA is our 44th president, but there actually have only been 43 presidents: Cleveland was elected for two nonconsecutive terms and is counted twice, as our 22nd and 24th president.]




auditguy -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 3:12:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Added bonus, he is not a lawyer.


The electorate seems to disagree--

Twenty-six Presidents were lawyers before becoming president.

That's 60%--26 out of 43 [BARACK OBAMA is our 44th president, but there actually have only been 43 presidents: Cleveland was elected for two nonconsecutive terms and is counted twice, as our 22nd and 24th president.]


The electorate have been tricked by all the Lawyereese (it's like Black Magic or Voodoo).  On the positive side of that statistic, 40% spoke English.




Politesub53 -> RE: General Petraeus for President in 2012? (4/4/2010 3:25:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696


quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Morning....

Perhaps I misread..but what political skils does he have?
He sounds more liek the hero type....but that is something different then running a country.

On the other side...why woud he be less then others.



Political Skills???

WTF are they???

Lying, cheating and backstabbing?



guess you didn't vote?
lol


Im guessing he did vote, just not for the winner. [;)]




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