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brainiacsub -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:17:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg I am missing the ass whipping Brainiac... don't see it at all. I do notice you are smart enough to have a hidden profile and your posts can't be searched. Lots of liberals are afraid to stand behind thier previous posts. It shows the level of integrity they have. I don't have an active profile because I don't have the time or patience to read and reply to the mail, but you can search my posts by clicking the "search" link in the top right hand corner of this page. The ass whipping refers to my propensity to deliver facts and use reason where there is none. I can be quite good at it. I enjoy chat with others who are also good at it.

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:19:37 PM)
Brainiac, and my answer was legitimate also. Then you started high fiving with the troll about how you were gonna whoop my ass and such. Libertarians are further right than mainstream Republicans. Conservative, does NOT equal Republican. Liberal does not equall Democrat. I don't know how to say this basic simple stuff without seeming condesending. It is like you asked me what 2+2 equals in a math chat. The relation of Libertarian Party to the Conservatives, is similar to the relation of the Green Party to the Liberals. Now I want to see the "ass whipping" some loser on the web is going to give me. Really, bragging about a cyber ass whipping. I thought Domiguy was pathetic.... But Brainiac, you have put yourself clearly in the camp of the trolls who derail any thread that doesn't show left wingers in a good light. you and domi and mike can go high five each other, and brag about your cyber dominace.

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:27:51 PM)
Brainiac, and let me admit my mistake, your posts are not unsearchable. I jumped to a conclusion on that. My apologies.

brainiacsub -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:28:34 PM)
But you also said this: "If you never met one, you might need to expand your circle of contact a bit. And they are farther to the right than your average Republican (of course I mentioned that a few pages ago, so are you acting dumb or unable to follow a thread?) " That wasn't very nice. The ass whipping only referred to my style in dealing with people who can't be nice.

brainiacsub -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:32:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Brainiac, and let me admit my mistake, your posts are not unsearchable. I jumped to a conclusion on that. My apologies. Apology accepted. Now say you are sorry for not being nice....

MrRodgers -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:34:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Well from thier perspective abortion is murder. Libertarians do believe in rights (enumerated in the federal and state constitutions)and contracts. Which includes the right "to life". So the child has a right to not be killed, which is paramount to other considerations. Though I suppose when it comes to abortion inducing drugs it becomes confusing. Would not a "libertarian" point of view start with the fact that government has no business legislating what one can do with one's body? Isn't that like the "holy grail" of libertarianism? dman Mike I didn't realise you were actually this stupid. I thought you were just playing to act like a troll. But I will pretend your stupid question is a serious one. The answer to both is NO. Libertarians are not Anarchists. They do not believe one has the right to use ones body to committ murder. arson, steal, break contracts, or violate constitutional laws. That they can do anything they like with thier body is not the holy grial of Libertarianism....are you really so fucking dumb you didn't know that? Perhaps you are so ignorant about politics that you actually think Libertarians are Anarchists. Such ignorace would explain a lot of your posting, and why you are such a slavish supporter of Democrats. Whose ignorance ? Libertarians I've met and read do believe they have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. If society is obviously quite willing to accept 20,000 or more dead every year from our use of alcohol, that society to a very large extent...already agrees. Your obvious bias (prejudice) is demonstrated by associating ignorance with supporting democratic policies. Look what repub policies did to us. As for the OP 'regime' is ridiculous but so what else is new ? The right in general and many repubs specifically called war dissenters, yes dissenters...traitors. Yep...traitors to our country. That is extremely insulting to this veteran. Far too many show their ignorance in failing to understand that without an opposition, without dissension...you have no republic.

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:38:42 PM)
and I meant it. Now, are you honestly saying you were asking a serious question? You weren't. You know that Libertarians are farther right than Republicans. You asked a snark question, and I gave a condescending answer. I wish you would engage in actuall debate and conversation. We need more of that here. But if your high fiving and declaring victory with Domiguy and Mike, while bragging about cyber ass whipping.....

MrRodgers -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:41:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg I am missing the ass whipping Brainiac... don't see it at all. I do notice you are smart enough to have a hidden profile and your posts can't be searched. Lots of liberals are afraid to stand behind thier previous posts. It shows the level of integrity they have. I've seen liberals do no such fucking thing. Get a grip man.

domiguy -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:43:23 PM)
So lonely. His posts are filled with despair.

Elisabella -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 9:46:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Libertarians are further right than mainstream Republicans. Conservative, does NOT equal Republican. Liberal does not equall Democrat. To me, further right than republicans would be fascists, which are the polar opposite of libertarians. The problem with the right/left dichotomy is that on the left, you have both communists and anarchists - one believes in the state taking care of all human needs and preventing people from making mistakes, the other believes that people should evolve past the point of needing a government to care for them or tell them what to do. Anarchists don't believe it's okay to rob rape and steal, they feel that it should be human nobility that prevents these things, not a law. While 'anarchy' has become synonymous with 'chaos' the root of the word is an (no) archon (rulers) and many anarchists take this to mean we don't need a law to tell us right from wrong, we should fucking know it ourselves. On the "right" you have fiscal conservatives, neo-cons, constitutionalists, and the religious right, and according to you, libertarians. How to reconcile the religious right (gay marriage should be banned because it is a sin) with libertarians (government has no right to tell us who to marry) is beyond me. So to me, "left" and "right" make sense in a two-party context but as a fundamental system of analysis, it really breaks down.

Silence8 -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:07:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Libertarians are further right than mainstream Republicans. Conservative, does NOT equal Republican. Liberal does not equall Democrat. To me, further right than republicans would be fascists, which are the polar opposite of libertarians. The problem with the right/left dichotomy is that on the left, you have both communists and anarchists - one believes in the state taking care of all human needs and preventing people from making mistakes, the other believes that people should evolve past the point of needing a government to care for them or tell them what to do. Anarchists don't believe it's okay to rob rape and steal, they feel that it should be human nobility that prevents these things, not a law. While 'anarchy' has become synonymous with 'chaos' the root of the word is an (no) archon (rulers) and many anarchists take this to mean we don't need a law to tell us right from wrong, we should fucking know it ourselves. On the "right" you have fiscal conservatives, neo-cons, constitutionalists, and the religious right, and according to you, libertarians. How to reconcile the religious right (gay marriage should be banned because it is a sin) with libertarians (government has no right to tell us who to marry) is beyond me. So to me, "left" and "right" make sense in a two-party context but as a fundamental system of analysis, it really breaks down. Some people use a 2 dimensional system (like a square instead of a line), adding the distinction 'social - economic'. But, yeah, there's somehow that the whole system misses. 'The border guards fight unconvincingly...'

slvemike4u -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:09:20 PM)
Wow,lucky...would these folks also be "high-fivin" with mike?....is my original question any less stupid now that others have pointed out your error?....Any chance you're man enough to admit you jumped shitty with no provocation at all ? Somehow I douby you are.

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:10:36 PM)
any set of labels breaks down when deconstructed. all of them. I agree the left right dichotomy is not perfect. No set of labels could be. I would point out there are lots of groups on the left also, not just 2. And it is harder to reconcile anarchists and communists than Republicans and Libertarians. At least Republicans and Libertarians agree that the US Constitution is legitimate. I would also disagree that the next step beyond republican is facist. Actually Libertarians generally want to get government out of marriage entirley. Eliminate straight marriage, as anything but some personal thing in a church. Being married carries zero rights whatsoever. you can't force a company to give your sex partner benefits, you get no tax deductions, or special rights. If you want to sign contracts with someone creating the condidtions likie current marriage, go for it. If you think about it, marriage confers rights that others are forced to respect. Gay marriage would force people to respect and give benefits. Libertarians generally oppose that. And want to do away with regular marriage also. But what does this have to do with drug legalisation being a leftist thing?

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:17:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Well from thier perspective abortion is murder. Libertarians do believe in rights (enumerated in the federal and state constitutions)and contracts. Which includes the right "to life". So the child has a right to not be killed, which is paramount to other considerations. Though I suppose when it comes to abortion inducing drugs it becomes confusing. Would not a "libertarian" point of view start with the fact that government has no business legislating what one can do with one's body? Isn't that like the "holy grail" of libertarianism? dman Mike I didn't realise you were actually this stupid. I thought you were just playing to act like a troll. But I will pretend your stupid question is a serious one. The answer to both is NO. Libertarians are not Anarchists. They do not believe one has the right to use ones body to committ murder. arson, steal, break contracts, or violate constitutional laws. That they can do anything they like with thier body is not the holy grial of Libertarianism....are you really so fucking dumb you didn't know that? Perhaps you are so ignorant about politics that you actually think Libertarians are Anarchists. Such ignorace would explain a lot of your posting, and why you are such a slavish supporter of Democrats. Whose ignorance ? Libertarians I've met and read do believe they have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. If society is obviously quite willing to accept 20,000 or more dead every year from our use of alcohol, that society to a very large extent...already agrees. Your obvious bias (prejudice) is demonstrated by associating ignorance with supporting democratic policies. Look what repub policies did to us. As for the OP 'regime' is ridiculous but so what else is new ? The right in general and many repubs specifically called war dissenters, yes dissenters...traitors. Yep...traitors to our country. That is extremely insulting to this veteran. Far too many show their ignorance in failing to understand that without an opposition, without dissension...you have no republic. Roger, If you back up this nonsense, "Your obvious bias (prejudice) is demonstrated by associating ignorance with supporting democratic policies." I will engage in conversation with you.

Elisabella -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:19:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg any set of labels breaks down when deconstructed. all of them. I agree the left right dichotomy is not perfect. No set of labels could be. I would point out there are lots of groups on the left also, not just 2. And it is harder to reconcile anarchists and communists than Republicans and Libertarians. At least Republicans and Libertarians agree that the US Constitution is legitimate. I would also disagree that the next step beyond republican is facist. Actually Libertarians generally want to get government out of marriage entirley. Eliminate straight marriage, as anything but some personal thing in a church. Being married carries zero rights whatsoever. you can't force a company to give your sex partner benefits, you get no tax deductions, or special rights. If you want to sign contracts with someone creating the condidtions likie current marriage, go for it. If you think about it, marriage confers rights that others are forced to respect. Gay marriage would force people to respect and give benefits. Libertarians generally oppose that. And want to do away with regular marriage also. But what does this have to do with drug legalisation being a leftist thing? Well because you say it's a libertarian thing but it's also an anarchist thing. So it's simultaneously far left and far right which is pretty funny.

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:26:37 PM)
Uh mike who are "these people" you are refering to. I still see just you and Domigy agreeing with you. And an incoherent rant by mr rodger. And, no your original question is still just as stupid as it was when you asked it. Libertarians still do not believe that people have the right to do anything they like with thier bodies. If you put a few qualifiers (which you didn't do) on it it becomes true. And thier reason for generally opposing abortion becomes very clear. Killing someone infringes on the dead one's rights. I don't agree with it, but it has been the position of most of thier prominent candidates over the decades.

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:32:56 PM)
elisabella, Newt Gingrich and George Will are mainstream Republican leaders and want legalisation. What prominent democrats want drug legalisation? but you are right it is funny that if you go far enough out the ends meet. The far left hates Isreal and jews, so does the far right. I don't actually see anarchism as "far left". Libertarians want a literal (and kind of goofy) reading of the Constitution. Thier slogan is "less government, lower taxes and more freedom"

brainiacsub -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 10:52:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg and I meant it. Now, are you honestly saying you were asking a serious question? You weren't. You know that Libertarians are farther right than Republicans. You asked a snark question, and I gave a condescending answer. I wish you would engage in actuall debate and conversation. We need more of that here. But if your high fiving and declaring victory with Domiguy and Mike, while bragging about cyber ass whipping..... I am honestly saying that I was asking a serious question...I injected a little humor (not snarky) in to the phrasing only because I saw you and Mike had started name calling. I was just trying to diffuse a little bit. I had no idea of the history that you have with Mike, domi or anyone else. You are right. I know that Libertarians are to the right of Republicans (on many issues, but not all). I am well read on Libertarian philosophy, so I was curious about your comments concerning abortion because this position (and a few others) seems to be unique to CM Libertarians. All of the Libertarians that I've met from CM, upon closer scrutiny, are really Conservatives except for one key area: sexual practices. It seems to me that many are Christians, even if by name only, and they have difficulty accepting the rigid ideas of the religious right when it comes to their own sexuality. So they take the Libertarian position that "I don't want the govt in my bedroom," and reject the label Conservative because their "unconventional" sexual proclivities are directly at odds with modern Conservatives. This observation also accounts for the CM Libertarians departing from the mainstream Libertarian positions on matters of race, religion, govt regulation, and others. I am not saying that all Libertarians are monolithic in their thinking, but there is a distinct "brand" of Libertarianism that I"ve noticed among kinksters. I was curious about your opinion on the matter, since you happened to be discussing it with Mike and you do fit the pattern I've seen here on CM. Not trying to be snarky, just curious...

Elisabella -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 11:06:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg elisabella, Newt Gingrich and George Will are mainstream Republican leaders and want legalisation. What prominent democrats want drug legalisation? but you are right it is funny that if you go far enough out the ends meet. The far left hates Isreal and jews, so does the far right. I don't actually see anarchism as "far left". Libertarians want a literal (and kind of goofy) reading of the Constitution. Thier slogan is "less government, lower taxes and more freedom" http://www.paxplena.com/2008/04/democrats-introduce-marijuana.html

luckydawg -> RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regime"!!! (4/7/2010 11:19:00 PM)
well if your reading is that I am a libertarian, you are not paying attention. I am not. domi and mike called me one over and over. But if you stick around you will find that when those two make a lot of noise about something, it is usually just nonsense. Of course all libertarians are also "conservative". I honestly don't know what you are refering to as CM libertarians departing from mainstream libertarianism regarding race, religion, govt regulation and others. If you give a specific example I will comment on it. I don't understand what you are asking.

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