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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am missing the ass whipping Brainiac... don't see it at all.

I do notice you are smart enough to have a hidden profile and your posts can't be searched. Lots of liberals are afraid to stand behind thier previous posts. It shows the level of integrity they have.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Brainiac, and let me admit my mistake, your posts are not unsearchable. I jumped to a conclusion on that. My apologies.

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Well from thier perspective abortion is murder. Libertarians do believe in rights (enumerated in the federal and state constitutions)and contracts. Which includes the right "to life". So the child has a right to not be killed, which is paramount to other considerations.

Though I suppose when it comes to abortion inducing drugs it becomes confusing.

Would not a "libertarian" point of view start with the fact that government has no business legislating what one can do with one's body?
Isn't that like the "holy grail" of libertarianism?

dman Mike I didn't realise you were actually this stupid. I thought you were just playing to act like a troll.

But I will pretend your stupid question is a serious one.

The answer to both is NO. Libertarians are not Anarchists. They do not believe one has the right to use ones body to committ murder. arson, steal, break contracts, or violate constitutional laws. That they can do anything they like with thier body is not the holy grial of Libertarianism....are you really so fucking dumb you didn't know that?

Perhaps you are so ignorant about politics that you actually think Libertarians are Anarchists. Such ignorace would explain a lot of your posting, and why you are such a slavish supporter of Democrats.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am missing the ass whipping Brainiac... don't see it at all.

I do notice you are smart enough to have a hidden profile and your posts can't be searched. Lots of liberals are afraid to stand behind thier previous posts. It shows the level of integrity they have.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Libertarians are further right than mainstream Republicans.

Conservative, does NOT equal Republican. Liberal does not equall Democrat.

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Libertarians are further right than mainstream Republicans.

Conservative, does NOT equal Republican. Liberal does not equall Democrat.

To me, further right than republicans would be fascists, which are the polar opposite of libertarians. The problem with the right/left dichotomy is that on the left, you have both communists and anarchists - one believes in the state taking care of all human needs and preventing people from making mistakes, the other believes that people should evolve past the point of needing a government to care for them or tell them what to do. Anarchists don't believe it's okay to rob rape and steal, they feel that it should be human nobility that prevents these things, not a law. While 'anarchy' has become synonymous with 'chaos' the root of the word is an (no) archon (rulers) and many anarchists take this to mean we don't need a law to tell us right from wrong, we should fucking know it ourselves.

On the "right" you have fiscal conservatives, neo-cons, constitutionalists, and the religious right, and according to you, libertarians. How to reconcile the religious right (gay marriage should be banned because it is a sin) with libertarians (government has no right to tell us who to marry) is beyond me.

So to me, "left" and "right" make sense in a two-party context but as a fundamental system of analysis, it really breaks down.

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Well from thier perspective abortion is murder. Libertarians do believe in rights (enumerated in the federal and state constitutions)and contracts. Which includes the right "to life". So the child has a right to not be killed, which is paramount to other considerations.

Though I suppose when it comes to abortion inducing drugs it becomes confusing.

Would not a "libertarian" point of view start with the fact that government has no business legislating what one can do with one's body?
Isn't that like the "holy grail" of libertarianism?

dman Mike I didn't realise you were actually this stupid. I thought you were just playing to act like a troll.

But I will pretend your stupid question is a serious one.

The answer to both is NO. Libertarians are not Anarchists. They do not believe one has the right to use ones body to committ murder. arson, steal, break contracts, or violate constitutional laws. That they can do anything they like with thier body is not the holy grial of Libertarianism....are you really so fucking dumb you didn't know that?

Perhaps you are so ignorant about politics that you actually think Libertarians are Anarchists. Such ignorace would explain a lot of your posting, and why you are such a slavish supporter of Democrats.

Whose ignorance ? Libertarians I've met and read do believe they have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. If society is obviously quite willing to accept 20,000 or more dead every year from our use of alcohol, that society to a very large extent...already agrees.

Your obvious bias (prejudice) is demonstrated by associating ignorance with supporting democratic policies. Look what repub policies did to us.

As for the OP 'regime' is ridiculous but so what else is new ? The right in general and many repubs specifically called war dissenters, yes dissenters...traitors. Yep...traitors to our country. That is extremely insulting to this veteran.

Far too many show their ignorance in failing to understand that without an opposition, without dissension...you have no republic.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

any set of labels breaks down when deconstructed. all of them.


I agree the left right dichotomy is not perfect. No set of labels could be.

I would point out there are lots of groups on the left also, not just 2. And it is harder to reconcile anarchists and communists than Republicans and Libertarians. At least Republicans and Libertarians agree that the US Constitution is legitimate. I would also disagree that the next step beyond republican is facist.

Actually Libertarians generally want to get government out of marriage entirley. Eliminate straight marriage, as anything but some personal thing in a church. Being married carries zero rights whatsoever. you can't force a company to give your sex partner benefits, you get no tax deductions, or special rights. If you want to sign contracts with someone creating the condidtions likie current marriage, go for it.

If you think about it, marriage confers rights that others are forced to respect. Gay marriage would force people to respect and give benefits. Libertarians generally oppose that. And want to do away with regular marriage also.


But what does this have to do with drug legalisation being a leftist thing?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

and I meant it.

Now, are you honestly saying you were asking a serious question? You weren't. You know that Libertarians are farther right than Republicans. You asked a snark question, and I gave a condescending answer.


I wish you would engage in actuall debate and conversation. We need more of that here.


But if your high fiving and declaring victory with Domiguy and Mike, while bragging about cyber ass whipping.....

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

elisabella, Newt Gingrich and George Will are mainstream Republican leaders and want legalisation. What prominent democrats want drug legalisation?


but you are right it is funny that if you go far enough out the ends meet.

The far left hates Isreal and jews, so does the far right.


I don't actually see anarchism as "far left". Libertarians want a literal (and kind of goofy) reading of the Constitution. Thier slogan is "less government, lower taxes and more freedom"