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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 11:25:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks, your link does note that it is not a legalisation bill, but a removal of penalties, while still keeping it illegal. But that is a quibble.

But some Democrats favor decriminalisation, I do not deny that.

I still don't think that Drug legalisation is a leftist issue. It is not related to left/right or Rep /dem at all.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 11:36:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I am not saying that you are a Libertarian. But you were discussing the differences between Libertarians and Republicans with regard to abortion with Mike, so I just thought I'd ask you.

Abortion is but one example where I have found that Libertarians I've met from CM tend to tow the Conservative party line. Exclusion of minorities in public policy is another. Discrimination against organized religion in public venues is another. So it got me wondering if Conservatives who embrace kink feel alienated enough from other Conservatives that they adopt the Libertarian label without truly understanding what Libertarianism is. Just thought you might have some insight in to this, that's all.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 2:34:09 AM   
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Personally I could care less about all these measured names we need to make glow in definition and purity in order to use them.

I am thinking yall is talking about Libertines or Librarians.

Chill mang.

I am waiting for lucky dawg to apologize to brainiacsub for not being nice, that is the crux of the matter here.

Tick tock, let's go people an apology was requested, step up to the plate big boy.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 5:10:19 AM   
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But you also said this:

"If you never met one, you might need to expand your circle of contact a bit.


And they are farther to the right than your average Republican (of course I mentioned that a few pages ago, so are you acting dumb or unable to follow a thread?) "

That wasn't very nice. The ass whipping only referred to my style in dealing with people who can't be nice.





ahh, so you don't like lucky because he isn't nice, but you think domiguy is?


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 7:25:46 AM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 9:02:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub

But you also said this:

"If you never met one, you might need to expand your circle of contact a bit.


And they are farther to the right than your average Republican (of course I mentioned that a few pages ago, so are you acting dumb or unable to follow a thread?) "

That wasn't very nice. The ass whipping only referred to my style in dealing with people who can't be nice.





ahh, so you don't like lucky because he isn't nice, but you think domiguy is?



I think I am nice to some and not so decent to others.


but here is the dealio thishereboi, What is missing in so many of the Conservative posters is any sign that they have a soul.....lol. I am kidding.

You get no insight into their persona other than they are capable of reciting their party's lines. Tell me something about servant4use, luckydawg, cuckyman, cuckoldmepls,subrob, sanity, FatDomDaddy...And there are many others.

I like The Heretic, I like Thadius just to name a couple of conservative posters.

boi boi...Is it so hard to come out to these forums and act like you are more than a one dimensional caricature of rush or coulter?

boi boi, don't you want to skip down the trail of Indigo Girl bliss with the pussy lickin gal of your dreams?


People don't get it. You come out here and you should try and have some fun. Sure you can talk politics and you should discuss the things that interest you.

But these forums are more than just a discussion board. They are also a way for people to get an insight into the way you think and your overall personality.

Is it possible that some people are not going to like the way I post or the way I lay out my thoughts? God, I hope so. But some are going to respond in a favorable manner.

You should come out here and try to be somewhat authentic. If you have a sense of humor, show it off. if you are intelligent and possess more of a serious thought process then that should be your strong point, then you put that foot forward and people will respond.

if you are married, not on the market or just think that everyone out here is not worth your time then you should take whatever course of action you choose in that there is nothing to be lost or gained.

Judging from your post I can see that I am not exactly your cup o' joe. But I am confident that there are posters out here that you do really enjoy reading. Why is that?

Here is the deal. I doubt that brain gets much props for his ability to cut and paste just as I am sure that cuckmepls gets little play from Dommes unless they want to kill him.

So I participate in the political forums. I am continually mortified by the people that dwell only down here in the bowels of CM....For Chrissake, come up for some air!!! Let people realize that you are more than just a puppet of your political masters.

All I'm saying is it couldn't hurt. Once you talk to someone out here about issues outside of politics it makes you realize they are more than just the angst that they spew out down here. They might actually be a very nice and decent person that just might know of some sick and twisted gal that I could bang.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 9:06:43 AM   
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No, I am not saying that you are a Libertarian. But you were discussing the differences between Libertarians and Republicans with regard to abortion with Mike, so I just thought I'd ask you.

Abortion is but one example where I have found that Libertarians I've met from CM tend to tow the Conservative party line. Exclusion of minorities in public policy is another. Discrimination against organized religion in public venues is another. So it got me wondering if Conservatives who embrace kink feel alienated enough from other Conservatives that they adopt the Libertarian label without truly understanding what Libertarianism is. Just thought you might have some insight in to this, that's all.



Morning,

I just had to ask, where do you find that exclusion of minorities in public policy is a Conservative party line, or discrimination against organized religion in public venues would fall under that party line? Am I reading what you wrote correctly, or is there a typo in there that would make sense of it?


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 9:48:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thad, it's a no brainer that Conservative politics is about maintaining the status quo in favor of white men. Conservatives say they believe in equality for all and therefore laws and policy should be "race neutral" however they refuse to acknowledge that the playing field isn't level to begin with. They tend to believe that everyone should just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Two recent examples from posters in this forum:

domi mentioned that Merc wouldn't be a successful banker in he were black and grew up in the Chicago public school system. It was tongue in cheek but there was alot of truth to that statement

yesterday Popeye couldn't believe that racism still exists because there were laws against it

These are just two examples but there are many

As for my religious discrimination statement, it's no secret that Conservatives (most, but not all) tend to favor public displays of faith and policies that favor Christianity. Libertarians shouldn't, but every Libertarian I've met or spoken with from CM does, so I was curious about it.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 10:07:08 AM   
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Thad, it's a no brainer that Conservative politics is about maintaining the status quo in favor of white men.
Your indoctrination is complete - no need for further education.

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Merc wouldn't be a successful banker in he were black and grew up in the Chicago public school system. It was tongue in cheek but there was alot of truth to that statement
But being part black on the East coast was an advantage? Damn - I never knew, and here I was all this time delusional that merit, effort, opportunity, and decision making ability had something to do with it.

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Merc wouldn't be a successful banker in he were black and grew up in the Chicago public school system. It was tongue in cheek but there was alot of truth to that statement
There is no truth or reality at all in that statement.

That sentiment is usually conveyed, and believed, by those needing to rationalize someone else's success or their relative failure. It's convenient and rationalizes the continuing government sectioned prejudicial and bigoted Affirmative Action programs which do nothing more that insure perpetuating the problems they were implemented to eliminate.

There is no better source to use to blame someone else for your situation or reality than the government. There is no personal failure in their version of reality; only reasons, some more than 150 years in the past, for why your failure can be blamed on someone else, not your decisions, not your effort, not your fault.

There is only one entity which can afford bigotry and prejudice as a practice and that is government. They are the only entity which does not require profit and accountability as a function of continuing employment. In the private sector, there is but one color - green. When it comes to hiring and promotion it is the only factor considered. If it weren't this part black, working lower middle income raised, wouldn't be a 'banker' or enjoying my current "success". Or did that happen, to me, and many others from more impoverished, race, and/or genetically encumbered backgrounds, by mistake?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 10:17:26 AM   
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Thad, it's a no brainer that Conservative politics is about maintaining the status quo in favor of white men. Conservatives say they believe in equality for all and therefore laws and policy should be "race neutral" however they refuse to acknowledge that the playing field isn't level to begin with. They tend to believe that everyone should just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Two recent examples from posters in this forum:

domi mentioned that Merc wouldn't be a successful banker in he were black and grew up in the Chicago public school system. It was tongue in cheek but there was alot of truth to that statement

yesterday Popeye couldn't believe that racism still exists because there were laws against it

These are just two examples but there are many

As for my religious discrimination statement, it's no secret that Conservatives (most, but not all) tend to favor public displays of faith and policies that favor Christianity. Libertarians shouldn't, but every Libertarian I've met or spoken with from CM does, so I was curious about it.

Thanks for the clarification.

Just a couple of examples of where I think your theory falls a bit short. How many minorities were in high profile positions of power under the previous administration (loosely referring to it as a conservative administration)? It had the first 2 black Sect of State, the first black woman Sect of State.

I know quite a few folks, including my sisters, who were black and went through the Chicago Public School system and are quite sucessful. My understanding of Merc's position is that we shouldn't be trying to hold back successful folks so that less successful folks can catch up. I am a strong believer in private charity, and even offering training and mentorship to folks that don't have the same oppurtunities because of logistics. I just don't believe that it should be the government's job to decide who should or shouldn't succeed or fail for that matter. The most important lessons I have learned in life have come from failing and being allowed to fail. If we remove risk of failure from the equation, what incentive is there to push forward? Why institutionalize a mentality of settling for mediocrity? There is even a bit of hypocracy to the way the government helps folks, take 2 black women, both the mothers of 2, one is married the other is single, which do you think would have a better chance of getting assistance if they became pregnant again or lost their jobs? I can tell you right now that the single mother would have a better chance of getting government assistance than the married woman.

As far as the religious displays in public venues, well they are as old if not older than this nation is. They shouldn't be even in the jurisdiction of the fed, unless on federal property, and even then those displays should be allowed under the First Ammendment, for all religions, and even non religious folks. I personally think the SCOTUS legilsated from the bench in their changing the rather simple language of the establishment clause to mean "seperation of religion and state", and even further with the way they have forced the removal of various monuments and memorials because of a "religious" message being on them.

Overall, I feel that the government has no room in my or anybody elses lives, unless we are infringing on somebody elses rights. Know what I mean?



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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 10:43:19 AM   
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Hey, Thad, you're welcome to imagine that Jeffrey Milyo and his methodology, and his cheques from the Cato Institute, constitute unbiased research, but most people who bother to read the link will see that's a bit of a giggle.

It's a longish read, but that's because Milyo's methodology fails in a lot of fundamental ways. 

I wouldn't expect you to keep a straight face if I started citing Ward Churchill as some sort of oracle of objectivity.

Nah, like I said it made for an interesting read. I was just replying to your claim that Media Matters was a "balanced source". Their own description is of a "non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Which is hardly a balanced source or non-partisan.


Then they must not have much to do considering your own link declares the media to be almost entirely liberal.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 10:56:50 AM   
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Hey, Thad, you're welcome to imagine that Jeffrey Milyo and his methodology, and his cheques from the Cato Institute, constitute unbiased research, but most people who bother to read the link will see that's a bit of a giggle.

It's a longish read, but that's because Milyo's methodology fails in a lot of fundamental ways. 

I wouldn't expect you to keep a straight face if I started citing Ward Churchill as some sort of oracle of objectivity.

Nah, like I said it made for an interesting read. I was just replying to your claim that Media Matters was a "balanced source". Their own description is of a "non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Which is hardly a balanced source or non-partisan.


Then they must not have much to do considering your own link declares the media to be almost entirely liberal.

Maybe that is why there is so much talk in the media about Caribou Barbie? Fuck I don't know they do with their time, it surely isn't a balanced unbiased source, and neither is a group like the Herritage Foundation.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 11:17:52 AM   
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well if your reading is that I am a libertarian, you are not paying attention. I am not. domi and mike called me one over and over. But if you stick around you will find that when those two make a lot of noise about something, it is usually just nonsense.

Of course all libertarians are also "conservative".

I honestly don't know what you are refering to as CM libertarians departing from mainstream libertarianism regarding race, religion, govt regulation and others. If you give a specific example I will comment on it.

I don't understand what you are asking.


Please show the post where i "called" you a libertarian....i would be very interested in reading it,has i have not as of yet had a chance to read the post I am supposed to have sent.
In other words once again you are full of shit!

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 11:59:55 AM   
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Thad, it's a no brainer that Conservative politics is about maintaining the status quo in favor of white men. Conservatives say they believe in equality for all and therefore laws and policy should be "race neutral" however they refuse to acknowledge that the playing field isn't level to begin with. They tend to believe that everyone should just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Two recent examples from posters in this forum:

domi mentioned that Merc wouldn't be a successful banker in he were black and grew up in the Chicago public school system. It was tongue in cheek but there was alot of truth to that statement


The odds are also against him being a successful banker if he was a white kid growing up in rural Appalachia being taught creationism in school.

The Chicago public school system is absolute shit but my point is that there is absolutely no such thing as "equal starting ground for everyone" and to try to level it out based on one thing (inner city blacks who get a shit education because of it) but not another (dirt poor rural whites who get a shit education because of it) is, at best, misguided.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 12:26:25 PM   
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I agree with you 100%, but when we talk about poverty in this country there is still a great difference between black and white. Although neither of these environments are likely to produce wealthy bankers, the white Appalacian kid will just grow up poor and stupid, but the black inner city kid will end up dead or in jail. What too many Conservatives fail to see is that it's about environment and opportunity, not race.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 12:52:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR to you Merc (to avoid the long post),

Indoctrination is part of the problem, no? I was raised conservative and remained so for most of my adult life. In the last 10 yrs or so I have rejected the ideology and indoctrination in which I was raised. I have voted Republican all my life as I am a fiscal conservative, but I have never voted Democrat until Obama because I reject the Liberal ideology that spending more money will solve social problems. In fact, I think it makes things worse in most cases.

You said that your success was due to "merit, effort, opportunity, and decision making ability." Do you believe that these qualities or attributes are equally weighted? I believe that without opportunity, none of these other things matter very much. BTW, you don't look black and when it comes to discrimination, appearances matter. Do you think that all the racist hillbillies in this country care that Obama is half white?

Do you find it so difficult to believe that people really are products of their environment? That is not to say that someone who comes from poverty or limited opportunity can't find success. Extraordinary people come from all walks of life, but not everyone can be extraordinary. I once saw a man make a half court shot with his eyes closed, but I wouldn't suggest changing the rules of the NBA to have the players compete blindfolded.

Things are not as black and white (no pun intended) as effort and personal responsibility versus blame and failure. There are alot of ideas between those two extremes that should be considered.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 1:32:29 PM   
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I don't believe this mindset (I'll generalize so as not to make it personal) does believe that environment matters, nor do I believe those that hold this mindset can conceive of ever ending up in an unfortunate situation from which their own extraordinariness would not be enough to save them. But they do, it does happen.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 1:43:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR to you Thad (to avoid the long post),

I didn't say that administrations were racist, I said Conservative policies seek to maintain the status quo. Racism is often a product of the uneducated. By the time someone aspires to the highest levels of govt service, they should be beyond that (not always, but mostly). I expect that both Republican and Democratic administrations would strive for diversity. But Bill Maher said it best: Every Republican is not a racist, but if you are a racist, chances are you are a Republican.

My response to Merc should clarify my position on racial bias.

As for religion, holding on to antiquated traditions at the expense of growth or enlightenment is not always a good thing. History is riddled with civilizations that died because that were unwilling to modernize or adapt to a changing world. I don't have a problem with people's personal faith and how they choose to worship or express it FOR THEMSELVES, but Conservatives want the govt to preserve these traditions and favor them over the religious traditions of other faiths. This is anti Constitutional, and the Libertarians live and die by every word of the Constitution, except for the ones I've met on CM who are eager to make exceptions when it's counter intuitive to their social conservative values. Again, it makes me wonder.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 1:46:46 PM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/8/2010 1:48:41 PM   
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