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Musicmystery -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:36:19 PM)
How about neither.

slvemike4u -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:37:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx So answer this.... Do you believe the US Constitution is Socially Liberal or Conservative? I hate pop quizes.....no chance to prepare [8\|]

mnottertail -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:39:49 PM)
liberal for its time, conservative for the now time, and usually ignored or circumvented by interpretation most times.

LaTigresse -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:40:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx It's always been my understanding that being an Independent means just that, not having some platform that was common to a group. It is where the independent thinkers reside. So I suspect there are a good number of Socially Conservative Independents that love spending their ass off. Independent is little more than being independent of party affiliation, to imply otherwise suggests an agenda all to its own. Vote for the Nopartybaggers, aye? Ideologues? You do realize that's the reason for parties and platforms, right? It affords voters with the information needed to make choices and thereby hold their officials accountable through stated positions. Its been suggested that the independent candidate can easily alter his position, change his moral code and be held to only limited concepts of political accountability. Without philosophical perspective man is little more than a chimp reacting impetuously time and again with no expectations of consistancy. If I am reading this correctly, and perhaps I am not, but it seems that you suggest a person that does not belong to a party is weak and not consistent. When no one party/group reflects MY morality I cannot support any one party. It would go against my morals to give a group my blanket support. I cannot believe that there are not others like myself, that prefer to determine the merit of individuals rather than a group.

brainiacsub -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:44:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx So answer this.... Do you believe the US Constitution is Socially Liberal or Conservative? Agree with Tim on this - it is neither. LaT, take notice. Lbertarian platform is about strict interpretation of the Constitution as I said. Bull wasn't impressed when I said it, but he is about to show his true colors on this.

LaTigresse -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:46:27 PM)
I've known Bull long enough to know that he and I can have a calm and sensible discussion on any topic. Even if we don't agree.

slvemike4u -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:50:04 PM)
This is a little silly....any claim other than Libertarians as strict Constitutionalists is on its face ridiculous.It is their cause and very reason for being

brainiacsub -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:54:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx It's always been my understanding that being an Independent means just that, not having some platform that was common to a group. It is where the independent thinkers reside. So I suspect there are a good number of Socially Conservative Independents that love spending their ass off. Independent is little more than being independent of party affiliation, to imply otherwise suggests an agenda all to its own. Vote for the Nopartybaggers, aye? Ideologues? You do realize that's the reason for parties and platforms, right? It affords voters with the information needed to make choices and thereby hold their officials accountable through stated positions. Its been suggested that the independent candidate can easily alter his position, change his moral code and be held to only limited concepts of political accountability. Without philosophical perspective man is little more than a chimp reacting impetuously time and again with no expectations of consistancy. If I am reading this correctly, and perhaps I am not, but it seems that you suggest a person that does not belong to a party is weak and not consistent. When no one party/group reflects MY morality I cannot support any one party. It would go against my morals to give a group my blanket support. I cannot believe that there are not others like myself, that prefer to determine the merit of individuals rather than a group. There are, LaT, and they are called independents. But if you are not registerd with a party, you can't vote in the primaries. In the general election you can only choose between the candidates selected by their respective parties, and in the majority of districts, these will be people who are either very liberal or very conservative. It sucks to be us.

xBullx -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:55:16 PM)
You're a teacher, right? Then allow me a question. Let's say you were alive in 1785ish, and let's say you werre a British felllow named George, would you consider freedom of religion, representation of the common man, limited powers for a chosen governing body, not to mention all this jibberish about States rights and personal liberties to be a Conservative point of view? She is cute, isn't she?... Opppps sorry, that was two questions.

xBullx -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:58:34 PM)
I don't know, I'd bet Hugo, Fidel, Mao, Putin and a good many others find it rather liberal for this day and age. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail liberal for its time, conservative for the now time, and usually ignored or circumvented by interpretation most times.

Musicmystery -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 12:59:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx You're a teacher, right? Then allow me a question. Let's say you were alive in 1785ish, and let's say you werre a British felllow named George, would you consider freedom of religion, representation of the common man, limited powers for a chosen governing body, not to mention all this jibberish about States rights and personal liberties to be a Conservative point of view? She is cute, isn't she?... Opppps sorry, that was two questions. I'm not sure what about being a kick ass writer and musician makes me Mr. Teacher for these questions. But on the first, I agree with Ron, and on the second, she really is.

brainiacsub -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:07:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx You're a teacher, right? Then allow me a question. Let's say you were alive in 1785ish, and let's say you werre a British felllow named George, would you consider freedom of religion, representation of the common man, limited powers for a chosen governing body, not to mention all this jibberish about States rights and personal liberties to be a Conservative point of view? She is cute, isn't she?... Opppps sorry, that was two questions. I'm not sure what about being a kick ass writer and musician makes me Mr. Teacher for these questions. But on the first, I agree with Ron, and on the second, she really is. Would it help at all if I asked you guys to just look at my boobs when we talk, or maybe my ass?

xBullx -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:08:28 PM)
No, I was paraphrasing a comment I heard once about people that have no outlined stance... It might be worth noting, the statement was made by a specific party member, but the statement was worth consideration. As far as weakness goes, the only "weakness" I would project is standing alone against the two parties in power. But in the end to stand independently and survive, that implies strength and cunning. quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse If I am reading this correctly, and perhaps I am not, but it seems that you suggest a person that does not belong to a party is weak and not consistent. When no one party/group reflects MY morality I cannot support any one party. It would go against my morals to give a group my blanket support. I cannot believe that there are not others like myself, that prefer to determine the merit of individuals rather than a group.

LaTigresse -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:12:48 PM)
Thank you Bull for clarifying. I knew I was reading it wrong.

xBullx -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:36:30 PM)
Why, if you disagree with a party platform would you want to vote in a primary for their to be candidate? You are aware that an Independent can and have petitioned to be on ballots at all levels of office? Ever hear of Joe Lieberman? And yes, Libertarians do believe in strictly adhering to the original uncorrupted laws of the land, kinda why we have a Supreme Court. So it must be more than a Libertarian thing. Do you have something against our Constitution? Personally, I like millions before have sworn to support and defend that old parchment. quote: ORIGINAL brainiacsub There are, LaT, and they are called independents. But if you are not registerd with a party, you can't vote in the primaries. In the general election you can only choose between the candidates selected by their respective parties, and in the majority of districts, these will be people who are either very liberal or very conservative. It sucks to be us.

slvemike4u -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:36:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx You're a teacher, right? Then allow me a question. Let's say you were alive in 1785ish, and let's say you werre a British felllow named George, would you consider freedom of religion, representation of the common man, limited powers for a chosen governing body, not to mention all this jibberish about States rights and personal liberties to be a Conservative point of view? She is cute, isn't she?... Opppps sorry, that was two questions. I'm not sure what about being a kick ass writer and musician makes me Mr. Teacher for these questions. But on the first, I agree with Ron, and on the second, she really is. Would it help at all if I asked you guys to just look at my boobs when we talk, or maybe my ass? Well hot damm Miss Brainiac...you supply the pictures and I will surely take a look [8\|]

slvemike4u -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:41:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx Why, if you disagree with a party platform would you want to vote in a primary for their to be candidate? You are aware that an Independent can and have petitioned to be on ballots at all levels of office? Ever hear of Joe Lieberman? And yes, Libertarians do believe in strictly adhering to the original uncorrupted laws of the land, kinda why we have a Supreme Court. So it must be more than a Libertarian thing. Do you have something against our Constitution? Personally, I like millions before have sworn to support and defend that old parchment. quote: ORIGINAL brainiacsub There are, LaT, and they are called independents. But if you are not registerd with a party, you can't vote in the primaries. In the general election you can only choose between the candidates selected by their respective parties, and in the majority of districts, these will be people who are either very liberal or very conservative. It sucks to be us. Thats disingenuous at best Bull....one can beleive and cherish the Constitution without being what we refer to as a "strict Constitutionalist" The term as it is used today denotes a way of thinking that is diametrically oposed to those who see the document as a "living and flexible thing". Both groups would readily state they love the document....but both see the parchment in different light.

xBullx -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:53:21 PM)
We are! In fact: You've been weighed and measured, figuratively speaking of course. quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx You're a teacher, right? Then allow me a question. Let's say you were alive in 1785ish, and let's say you werre a British felllow named George, would you consider freedom of religion, representation of the common man, limited powers for a chosen governing body, not to mention all this jibberish about States rights and personal liberties to be a Conservative point of view? She is cute, isn't she?... Opppps sorry, that was two questions. I'm not sure what about being a kick ass writer and musician makes me Mr. Teacher for these questions. But on the first, I agree with Ron, and on the second, she really is. Would it help at all if I asked you guys to just look at my boobs when we talk, or maybe my ass?

mnottertail -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 1:58:45 PM)
I will point out from a soveriegnty of man issue that not only minds are beautiful, so someone wants to poke a pretty ass or some nice titties into the conversational mix, those fresh views are extremely welcome from both idiot conservatives and whacko liberals who post here, I believe we can agree on that. Ron

brainiacsub -> RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? (4/9/2010 2:00:35 PM)
I think you misunderstood. For most independents, there is no candidate in the primaries who represents our views. So many of us don't vote. There have to be enough independents in a district who are willing to sign a petition and get their candidate on the ballot, but the districts are Gerrymandered to assure that most voters in any particular district are either very conservative or very liberal. There is a non-partisan group that is trying to get more sensible districts drawn so that moderates like me could field a candidate. Joe Lieberman is the exception, not the rule. And if I am not mistaken, he was not an Independent when he was elected, but someone may have to fact check me on that. I have nothing against the Constitution, I just don't agree with the Libertarian position that it's words are as sacred as the Bible. The problem with fundamental religion is the strict interpretation for modern times of a text written thousands of years ago devoid of any appreciation for the times and context in which it was written. I see Libertarians in the same light. It's amusing how they want to rely on the "Founder's intent" when debating the "proper" interpretation without realizing that the document itself is in fact a compromise. The Founders did not all agree on it's content or meaning. quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx Why, if you disagree with a party platform would you want to vote in a primary for their to be candidate? You are aware that an Independent can and have petitioned to be on ballots at all levels of office? Ever hear of Joe Lieberman? And yes, Libertarians do believe in strictly adhering to the original uncorrupted laws of the land, kinda why we have a Supreme Court. So it must be more than a Libertarian thing. Do you have something against our Constitution? Personally, I like millions before have sworn to support and defend that old parchment.

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