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tazzygirl -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 3:30:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

I'm not referring to the overall "God" concept... but religion. While I believe a very enlightened men and women have walked this earth and taught how to live a more gracious life, I see very little evidence of those teachings in religious orders. The initial forming of the Christian church had the strong Roman Church accusing those who most closely followed the teachings of Christ of heresy and wiped them out. Throughout history we have examples of those following a different path being persecuted in the name of religion... Even Christ himself.


Thats because "formal religions" have been headed and ran by man (not man as in woman.. but mankind) Power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I do believe in god or a devine spirit. working in the medical field, i have seen far too many things i cant explain to state there is no existence. but i dont try and convert anyone to my way of thinking. enough "magic" occurs in each person's life. no one has to push. its there.





jbcurious -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 3:53:02 AM)

That's why I don't claim outright aethiesm... I have experienced wonderful moments of a deep conection to things around me...and there are so many things that can't be explained...I try to keep an open mind to the possibilitys.




MyMasterStephen -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 4:36:29 AM)

I am an atheist, in that I believe there is no divine being or creator or guiding intelligence.  But I believe in Gaia which, although purely scientific, has hints of "guiding intelligence" about it, albeit without self-awareness.  Does that make me spiritual?




pahunkboy -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 4:53:56 AM)

Easy fix here.

I worship the New World Order.,  like each and every day- I fund it - I enable it... I feed the monster. I mean WTF- I went to Church last night- we prayed for the Jews. I opened my big mouth and asked-- how come we did not pray for the Arabs?     I did not get an acceptable answer.

So today is the Lords day- and - maybe I can refrain from feeding the Beast, for today- if even for an hour.

Man- you guys have got to help me here.   MY big mouth is going real time-- and that might not be good- and it certainly is not comfortable for many.   But then- I have that effect on people.

Interesting thread.




eyesopened -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 4:54:08 AM)

I like what the yoruba traditional story of how humans were so greedy for The Truth that in their mob zeal to grab it, it fell and broke into pieces.  Each then gabbed a piece and ran away claiming they had The Truth.  So the tradtion teaches that each religion holds a piece of The Truth but only by world unity will the whole Truth be known.

I like what Jesus had to say about how religion can drive people away from God.  I believe that God is personal, there is a unique relationship for each person.  Like siblings having the same parents but each relationship is different.  I respect that.  We all see the same sun, but since none of us occupy the exact same place in the exact same time, we all see the sun from a different perspective.  I respect that. 

I have faith in what Jesus said that it is not the will of the Father that any should be lost.  Therefore I do not believe in dogma that would exclude anyone.  I do not believe in a heaven or hell.  I certain that my energy will survive this body in death.

I believe in positive and negative energy.  I believe I will always have enough energy for today and I can choose whether it is positive or negative.  I believe that I may not always be able to change my reality but I can always change my perspective.




DarkSteven -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 5:42:48 AM)

I was raised agnostic with a Jewish undercurrent.  I have become more Jewish as I get older.




sunshinemiss -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 5:59:20 AM)

Just as all roads lead to Rome, so too do all religions lead to G*d.

I have a friend who says - "What religion is G*d?  That's my religion."  Me too. 




jbcurious -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 8:01:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I was raised agnostic with a Jewish undercurrent.  I have become more Jewish as I get older.




Afraid you´re going to hell? [;)]




pahunkboy -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 9:30:23 AM)

Hell is here on earth.




LaTigresse -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 9:49:07 AM)

I find today's organized christian religiouns repulsive. The hypocrisy just turns my stomach. I believe that their leaders are as close to an anti-christ as you could find. I believe that the modern day bible is such a bastardization of the intended orginal writings, that I cannot even take it seriously, even as a historical reference.

That being said, there is something that draws me. As though there is something in my core that knows there was something of value before humanity corrupted it. I am also very drawn to the very little I know of eastern religiouns. If time allowed, I could spend the rest of my life exploring religioun. Traveling, learning to translate ancient text etc. Educational programmes about religioun always fascinate me. As do books.

I very much believe in reincarnation and do not at all believe in christianity's idea of heaven and hell. I believe in something more than the physical and know without doubt there is an energy that flows through all. That we each are connected to that energy, just some more aware of it than others. I feel the energy of many people, even sometimes here. But won't go so wooowoo far to say it's auras I see or anything of that sort. More just a deeper feeling. A sense of energy, good bad or whatever.

Soooooo, not at all sure what that makes me. No athiest but no specific religioun either.




pahunkboy -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 9:51:45 AM)

Man LAT,

You sure kill a hard-on.



lol




Ange1ica -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 9:54:01 AM)

Pagan - but as a lifestyle, not a religion (I don't believe in any sort of god).




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 9:59:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterK13

I belive there is truth to all religons.


quote:

ORIGINAL: jbcurious

I have experienced wonderful moments of a deep conection to things around me...and there are so many things that can't be explained...I try to keep an open mind to the possibilitys.


Directionally ... i am of similar beliefs.

i often think that the person who wrote the book, is someone who goes by many names; and would not even be recognized by most ... regardless of professed religious beliefs ....




LaTigresse -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 10:12:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Man LAT,

You sure kill a hard-on.

lol



You flatterer you!




pahunkboy -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 10:16:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Man LAT,

You sure kill a hard-on.

lol



You flatterer you!


LOL.  Yeah- I tend to have the same effect on people.    Tho for obtuse reasons.




Mercnbeth -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 10:31:02 AM)

~ Fast Sunday Services ~


My faith is that religion allows, and provides source documents, for people to rationalize doing their best for their fellow man, and the worst.

My fundamental belief applies to both the traditional parochial religions, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism; as well as their modern day secular replacements, global warming, socialism, capitalism.

'Man' has a difficult time believing, as well as taking responsibility, in themselves. Without a 'religion' pointing to blame someone/something else, or allowing complacency through the belief in a 'better life' someday, or hoping that 'karma' will prevail; the remaining 'faith' would have to be in the mirror. People hate that - they hate reality; religion is an alternative existence, socially acceptable by blending in with fellow 'faithful'. Pragmatically delusional, or at least on common ground with the image conveyed in believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny; as long as a plurality exists in the company you keep, you can live your life in blissful, self-induced, psychotic belief.

To think that man has evolved by pointing to the transition from worshiping the sun, moon, planets, to Jesus Christ, 'New Age', or Al Gore's 'global warming'; only points to the evolution of special effects and better story telling. It still results in the same plot line - a 'messiah' interpreting the 'miracles' or 'evils' and providing a new and improved 'one true way'. Success, seemingly contingent and depending upon the 'Messiah's skill level on reading the audience, and whether the goal is short term profits, or long term playing out a joke; as in the case of L. Ron Hubbard's bet with a fellow author resulting in the creation of 'Scientology' - who knows maybe Christianity resulted in bar-room bet between John the Baptist, and Christ!?

Hope you enjoyed the Sunday Homily - Please tip the ushers accordingly as they pass through the pews. Hope to see you all at 'Bingo' Thursday night - The 'Alter Rosary Society' needs some extra help from the young ladies with cleanup over at the rectory after last night's monthly alter boy poker game - and don't forget, everyone who has tickets for the Holy Name Society's bus trip scheduled for Opening Day at Yankee Stadium on Tuesday needs to be in front of the Church no later than 9:00 AM - I'll be leading a prayer for a Yankee victory, another World Championship, and giving a blessing over those on the trip - the bus will be leaving at 9:15 whether you're there or not. Unfortunately, due to last year's excessive 'mooning' and urinating out the bus windows on they way home - no beer will be distributed until AFTER crossing the GWB on the return.

"Ite in pace!"




DomMeinCT -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 10:42:51 AM)

 
I am the High Priestess of a small but devout sect founded by 3 cats and 2 dogs:  She Who Has The Opposable Thumbs Needed to Open Our Dinner Packets.


In all other things, I am a Conservative Jew.  [;)]




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 11:52:33 AM)



While i don't recall Nietzsche being quite so humorous in his criticism of religion...


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


'Man' has a difficult time believing, as well as taking responsibility



i will agree there is truth in this statement of yours.




Moonhead -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 1:45:06 PM)

I'm a Catholic and an atheist: what I actually believe has no bearing at all on my Catholocism until such time as I get myself excommunicated, and that's quite tricky these days. I don't think Pope Adolph has even excommunicated JK Rowling, despite all of his moaning about Harry Potter and the Ring of Fire, so not even the Oscar Wilde approach would work any more.




Level -> RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? (4/11/2010 2:11:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

I like what the yoruba traditional story of how humans were so greedy for The Truth that in their mob zeal to grab it, it fell and broke into pieces.  Each then gabbed a piece and ran away claiming they had The Truth.  So the tradtion teaches that each religion holds a piece of The Truth but only by world unity will the whole Truth be known.

I like what Jesus had to say about how religion can drive people away from God.  I believe that God is personal, there is a unique relationship for each person.  Like siblings having the same parents but each relationship is different.  I respect that.  We all see the same sun, but since none of us occupy the exact same place in the exact same time, we all see the sun from a different perspective.  I respect that. 

I have faith in what Jesus said that it is not the will of the Father that any should be lost.  Therefore I do not believe in dogma that would exclude anyone.  I do not believe in a heaven or hell.  I certain that my energy will survive this body in death.

I believe in positive and negative energy.  I believe I will always have enough energy for today and I can choose whether it is positive or negative.  I believe that I may not always be able to change my reality but I can always change my perspective.


As I often do, I find a lot of wisdom in one of your posts.

I identify as a Christian, but one that does not fit in with much of what that religion claims. I believe there is truth in Christianity, and in Buddhism, Islam, the Tao, etc. Truth is truth, no matter who says it, or where you find it.

The God I believe in is love incarnate; wherever you find love, truth, courage, there you've found God.

Having said that, I've struggled a lot the last year or two. Cursed God up one way, and down the other, and worse. But I try to persevere.




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