DerangedUnit
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i agree with subron1967.... god is the worlds most childish sadist... hell i'd dump him if he was ever a dom of mine(and i did when i was about 5)... in all religions hes a jealous a** wipe who gets off on torturing his loyal subjects, all while calling them stupid and because people only read and interpret the bible how a pastor tells them too they remain completely oblivious to it..... i'm going to repost something i had written for another site so you can see a SMALL example of what i mean:
using kjv
greetings to all who may read this,
I have recently come across this site, and read though the 'god is imaginary' section. I noticed that the heaven section doesn't include some of my favorite parts of scripture unfamiliarity. I was raised baptist, and have found it odd that more christians do not actually READ what they assume will be paradise. I recently was involved in a discussion with a catholic who said he went to all catholic schools and universities(as i did baptist) and never were they asked to read the bible only to listen to stories told from it.... also that the bible to him is purely literary, which is a good thing that he is not deluded in that regard. then upon asking him why he believes, he replied "because i have faith"... though though farther discussion he believed that it would be easier not to believe... under that logic why did he believe? circular logic continues to confuse me on so many levels...
But i am straying from my original point. People often fail to read what the bible says heaven is actually like. They get the gates of pearl gold streets and tree of life bit, but why not read everything the bible says about heaven? i would like to take the rest of this post to review a little of what i'm talking about, and see if any others find it as ironic as i do.
first i shall list a passage about what is required of those who want to be received into heaven:
Hebrews 12
“ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
in other words if you want to get into heaven expect to be BEATEN....PAINFULLY BEATEN FOR DAYS... or until your are TRAINED to handle it.... and this gets you what? well you get to be god son sure, and isn't that peaceable.
Revelations 21
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
...does anyone else find it odd that we would never be allowed to sleep, and that the light that keeps us from that needed rest is god watching us? a little big brotherish if you ask me? not only that but the gates are open but no one can get in, that means no one can leave either. oh and being watched all day you better not foul up and cause any ruckus because then your out... has anyone even considered how this is possible(to never make even a slight mistake) for that to be provable we would have to be perfect, like god, right? but lets see what god says about our place in the next passage(he already referred to us as sons, and in a parable i have not listed((because its a parable)) his wife(((the weaker vessel))) ).
Revelations 22
1 And he showed me a pure[a] river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there
6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
8 Now I, John, saw and heard[c] these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For[d] I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
WOW!... did everyone else catch that? we don't rule as equals to god we are his servants the same as the angels(remember the story of one particular angel who said "i will ascend into heaven,i will exalt my throne among the stars....i will ascend above the heights of the clouds..."...wonder what happened to him?) oh and his mark will be on our foreheads... doesn't that sound familiar...mark of the beast and all that. basically what this passage is saying is that we will slaves for all eternity without rest, in return we get to live in heaven and eat his food... oh but don't forget the beatings, we all know how god feels about servants. in case you've forgotten:
1 peter 2
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
...it seems god tells people to fear him for a reason, but anyways i could go on for ever with examples of gods wrath and silly continuations of such nonsense but this is enough for now, i wish people would just read what they believe in, but hey, if your a masochist sounds like a pretty sweet deal. so i will end on this last note and encourage any response.
3 A stone is heavy and sand is weighty,
But a fool’s wrath is heavier than both of them.
4 Wrath is cruel and anger a torrent,
But who is able to stand before jealousy?
8 Like a bird that wanders from its nest
Is a man who wanders from his place.
25 When he speaks kindly, do not believe him,
For there are seven abominations in his heart;
26 Though his hatred is covered by deceit,
His wickedness will be revealed before the assembly.
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
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