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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 9:51:54 PM   
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Oftentimes people tend to withhold certain information specifically because it might scare someone off. Therefore my general rule of thumb is if you feel the need to conceal something until a later date, it's likely something you should be revealing.





This, Marie, is an interesting point of view. It is about fear. If the reason something isn't told is because of fear of the other person leaving... that is different from being careful because the person doesn't have a sense of whether the receiver will harm them in other ways. Good point!

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 10:16:27 PM   
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Oftentimes people tend to withhold certain information specifically because it might scare someone off. Therefore my general rule of thumb is if you feel the need to conceal something until a later date, it's likely something you should be revealing.




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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 10:29:39 PM   
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Hello everyone,

A pink polka dotted elephant over in the poly thread got me to thinking...

When do you tell the idiosyncracies of your reality to someone you are getting to know? The discussion over there is about telling that you are poly, and it is an interesting thread. The comment was made that poly is a hard limit / big fat no for a lot of people, and therefore you ought to tell people right away.

But what about all the other things that are a hard limit / big fat no? I for one don't want to be seen only as that girl who X (X being my idiosyncracy or baggage). In the poly thread I thought... yeah, would you say the same thing about... say... erectile dysfunction? or history of being a stripper? or having herpes or hpv? or abandonment issues? or PTSD? or having killed someone as a soldier? or being very rich? or needing meds so as not to be a nutjob?


For most things, whenever it happens to come up.  I'm not going to blurt out my life story while we're still shaking hands, but I'm a very open person,  I talk quite freely about my life, and I don't deliberately hold much of anything back. For the most part, I couldn't care less who knows what about me. If there's something about who I am that someone's going to find undesirable, the sooner I'm rid of her the better it is for both of us.

The only exception to this is that when I'm dating vanilla - which is all I do these days anyway - I don't discuss my sexuality, at least in any detail whatsoever. We're not going there anyway, so there's no reason for them to know that about me. My days of "shopping at the vanilla store and upgrading 'em when I get 'em home" are long past.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 10:50:18 PM   
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Okay up till now all I have offered here is glib responses,but as I have heard somewhere...timing is everything.So allow me to try to add something of substance here(if nothing else but to confuse my detractors)If anything I have a tendency to reveal far too much far too soon.I am naturally open and I think at times I tend to exacerbate that sometimes admiral quality when I find myself interested in someone.
With me I think it is over compensating for a very troubled and embarrassing childhood .I decided early on in life that I was who I was....and came from where I came from . So I would let the chips fall where they may on that score.I know I'm damaged goods.....not sure everyone I start to get to know needs to be made aware of this as early as I have been known to do.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 11:00:22 PM   
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I have herpes. I do not dare touch anyone and I tell everyone as it is a gruesome and lethal disease. (Never mind what physicians tell you about it: they know zilch.)

I have herpes at the moment. Got it a few days ago, I suspect from the fat in sandwich wurst. It is at the corner of my mouth this time and I also have a swollen papil on my tongue. It comes at an importune time for my mom celebrates her 87th birthday today in a restaurant.

Fortunately it is a 'minor' outbreak. Also fortunately I yesterday finally convinced my physician to prescribe me aciclovir tablets. (I safe those 30 tablets for later events. Yesterday I took the last two tablets from my fifteen year old stash of 150.)

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 11:05:07 PM   
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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/10/2010 11:11:56 PM   
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If I succeed in curing myself from this disease, whether by scientific or spiritual means, it most certainly will.

Edited to add: I am not in the desiring to be worshipped business. I am not that insecure.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 12:20:28 AM   
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If I succeed in curing myself from this disease, whether by scientific or spiritual means, it most certainly will.

Edited to add: I am not in the desiring to be worshipped business. I am not that insecure.


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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 12:39:29 AM   
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There may be a slim hope for HSV2 suffers ........

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 12:49:37 AM   
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If it has the potential to be a deal breaker, seems to me it is best to find out sooner than later.

Edited because I can't type when I am sleep deprived!

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 1:01:56 AM   
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Catize,
How does one know if something is a potential deal breaker?  One person can't possibly know if something is a deal breaker for someone else.  Reading minds is not in the handbook!

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 1:13:02 AM   
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If someone chooses to have casual sex, they already know they are participating in risky behavior. And btw, it isn't whether you have sex with someone who is infected, it is HOW you have sex. Did I ever mention unsafe sex TFTB?



But sunshine, no sex is entirely safe-the fact that the sex is movie sex doesn't negate the potential for the condom to break.

With STDs as a specific example, a significant percentage of people (maybe not a majority-I'm not claiming to have any data here, but a significant percentage) would choose not to have sex with you (generic you) if they knew you had an STD.

While I suppose you could say 'well if they are irresponsible enough to have sex with me without asking if I'm clean then why should I tell them?' but if you have the knowledge and you are actively witholding it then that seems disingenuous and dishonest.


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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 1:35:56 AM   
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*edited to remove repeating myself.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 5:33:14 AM   
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If you aren't comfortable posting it on your profile, then you don't bring it up until after the coffee meet. Because if you walk away from the coffee meet thinking "now that was a waste of half an hour" obviously you aren't going to see them again so it isn't any of their business.

Once you've met and you think there is the possibility of a relationship, then you need full disclosure. You don't wait until after you've had sex.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 5:41:22 AM   
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erectile dysfunction


Amazing how many men cannot be honest about this, even when they are lying there in front of you with a limp noodle and a surprised look on their face saying "this never happened to me before, I must have had too much wine".

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Well 40 yrs of eating BHP plastic will do that to a male.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 5:56:20 AM   
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Catize,
How does one know if something is a potential deal breaker?  One person can't possibly know if something is a deal breaker for someone else.  Reading minds is not in the handbook!

best,
sunshine (nice flower, btw)

Potential deal breakers: I am not monogamous, I have Parkinson's syndrome which affects my balance and at times my mobility. I reveal those two issues if anyone shows interest because if they are deal breakers we can both move on.

Thanks, I planted it in my flower garden last summer!

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 5:57:00 AM   
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Celeste,
I have always appreciated how black and white you are (rarely agree, but always appreciate  )

You said :  Once you've met and you think there is the possibility of a relationship, then you need full disclosure. You don't wait until after you've had sex.

Sex is not a relationship... what then? 

Best,
sunshine

*as an aside:  Somehow I knew that this thread would end up about sex even though that wasn't the intention.  Sex maniacs, I say!



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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 7:07:23 AM   
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I can't believe I am going to say this.......... But I agree with Marie. I tend to feel that kink is rather flexible, depending on the person you are with. Having said that,  I don't share that's a deal breaker for me and I mention it almost immediately.


Marie?... bring  those fucking shoes in august!

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 7:31:06 AM   
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quote:

Somehow I knew that this thread would end up about sex even though that wasn't the intention.  Sex maniacs, I say!


Well calling us sex maniacs is no news ;-)

To me, the issues you presented in your category fall into 3 categories:
- someone's past (having been a stripper, having been a soldier who might have killed someone)
- someone's current personal struggle (PSTD, abandonment issues, mental illness)
- someone's sexual health (erectile dysfunction, STDs)

I'm not sure where the "being very rich" as it is not a struggle, unless the fact that they are very rich causes them to only meet gold diggers and in which case, it falls under struggle. I actually understand very well why people with money tend to underplay it and I think sometimes it's the only way for one to be seen for who they are. I'd be more annoyed if I found out someone was broke, up to his chin in debt and went around pretending he was independently wealthy.

Lets look at what fall under someone's past. Can they do anything today to change the past? No. Is there a possibility that they have changed? Absolutely. The most important question is what has this person become today. With time, I think it is important to reveal our pasts to someone we are getting involved with because it helps us understand them. You mentioned the soldier who had killed someone. I dated a guy who 2 months into the relationship told me that in his 20s, he was a sniper as part of his mandatory military service and he still has nightmares to this day. That helped me understand a great deal about him as well as understand why had some of the nightmares he did. I guess part of this was PSTD that has never been properly dealt with (he is in his 40s now). Is this a deal breaker? Not on it's own. In these cases, I look at the bigger picture of who the person is today. But the bottom line is, regardless of this, if I find out after a while that someone isn't dealing well with their past, then I can walk away probably disappointed but relatively unscathed and with no permanent damage.

Let's look at someone's current day personal struggle. How are they dealing with it? I mean we all have struggles, right? To me, it's not "does someone have a struggle" but rather are they dealing with that struggle. Some things are harder to talk about than others. But the bottom line is, regardless of this, if I find out after a while that someone isn't dealing well with their current personal struggle, then I can walk away probably disappointed but relatively unscathed and with no permanent damage.

Let's look at someone's sexual health. I hesitated about putting erectile dysfunction under personal struggle or sexual health because the reality is that it is easily medicated in most cases and like many other things, if dealt with, someone can have a very healthy sex life. So lets move on to STDs. If someone doesn't tell me about this and I catch it, I have it too. So the bottom line is, regardless of this, if I find out after a while that someone has an STD and they knew about it, then I will walk away and it is very likely that I will be infected and have to deal with this for the rest of my life.

Here is the deal. I look at the examples you gave in your OP and of those and any that I can think of, nothing else can be transmitted but the sexually transmitted diseases. In the case of all the others, if I found out and it didn't suit me, I could walk away unaffected, maybe disappointed a little, but that is what a girl's night out & Martinis are for.

And that is exactly why this thread turned into a debate about STDs. It is the only issue that is actually dangerous.

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RE: Timing is everything. - 4/11/2010 7:36:33 AM   
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It's not just about danger, it's about trust. I want to know  the important things in your life before I am willing to enter into a relationship.

The woman had better come clean pretty early or I am gone.


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