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pahunkboy -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/11/2010 3:05:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Kindandcruel Even in the health care bill Obama was putting the forced use of RFID's implanted under the skin... claimed to be used only for medical records. But the lies will not stop there. Well, thank you for the warning. Just exactly how many more of these lies do you plan on telling, or haven't you decided yet? Prove it ISNT in the 2700 pages.

Musicmystery -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/11/2010 7:45:20 PM)
quote: Prove it ISNT in the 2700 pages. Sigh. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. That's you.

Musicmystery -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/11/2010 7:58:38 PM)
quote: Isn't China a huge export for us because we ship them the resources they need to produce products we want back to our country? That doesn't make sense even in it's own context. Why ship resources to a resource rich nation that's right next to other resource rich nations? China also gets an abundance of natural resources from Africa (where we are behind the game). Top US Exports to China 2009 ($ billion) Source: US International Trade Commission Electrical machinery and equipment -- $9.5 billion Oil seeds and oleaginous fruits -- $9.3 billion Power generation equipment -- $8.4 billion Air and spacecraft -- $5.3 billion Plastics and articles thereof -- $4.4 billion Optics and medical equipment -- $4.0 billion Iron and steel -- $3.5 billion Pulp and paperboard -- $2.5 billion Organic chemicals -- $2.4 billion Vehicles, excluding railway -- $1.9 billion

tazzygirl -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/11/2010 8:55:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Kindandcruel Even in the health care bill Obama was putting the forced use of RFID's implanted under the skin... claimed to be used only for medical records. But the lies will not stop there. Well, thank you for the warning. Just exactly how many more of these lies do you plan on telling, or haven't you decided yet? Prove it ISNT in the 2700 pages. You and i have discussed this before, pahunk. Do me a favor and start a seperate thread, outlining your proof.

rulemylife -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/12/2010 4:45:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kindandcruel The redistribution of wealth is not a right... THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC... This is not a welfare state that promises crappy jobs to everybody and taxes everybody to death which is what the liberals are known for. The so called health bill is unconstitutional... the FEDs are way out of bounds as the individual is sovereign to the state and the only authority the FEDS have is that which given to them by the individual states... Yet the Liberals have taken over the schools and no longer teach the truth to the kids... things like Ab Lincoln declared war on the south when they exercised their constitutional right to secede from the Union because the Union (Federal aspect) was not following the Constitution. Talk about bush? Obama has taken away more freedom and rights than any president in history, Obama has socialized the finance industry with government control, he has also illegally taken control of the auto industry. Non of his actions have been in the least within the constitutional boundaries... In fact, he has still not proved that he is an American (there are dozens of law suits on this issue). Obama has broken America by putting the US in the greatest level of debt in history!!! Three hundred percent than any other President!!! Even in the health care bill Obama was putting the forced use of RFID's implanted under the skin... claimed to be used only for medical records. But the lies will not stop there. The Social security was supposed to be in a separate account used only for retirement, the democrats took access of that and raided that for their excess spending... Not one program the Government has created has worked out like they promised because they never intended to follow through on that. The typical MO for the government is to create a crisis and then jump in like a great savior but you always lose your rights and they take more control of your life each time. All you have to do is open your eyes and research a little bit on your own. Obama and Pelosi are the two worse people in the history of the US that has worked at taking away your rights under the Constitution, the treaty of Paris, and many other documents. Why is it so many conservative posts are long-winded and say the same thing? Do you all read from some script that's handed out to you, saying "repeat this in your own words"?

pahunkboy -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/12/2010 4:46:53 PM)
Tazz, do you really think the lawyers understand all that is in that bill?

Moonhead -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/12/2010 4:58:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Tazz, do you really think the lawyers understand all that is in that bill? They probably have a better clue than anybody on the Senate who voted on it, put it that way.

pahunkboy -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/12/2010 5:12:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Tazz, do you really think the lawyers understand all that is in that bill? They probably have a better clue than anybody on the Senate who voted on it, put it that way. We could get monkeys to do the congress thing. Same outcome.

tazzygirl -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/12/2010 8:54:28 PM)
Taken bit by bit, even i understand alot that is in that bill. Dont you? Or have you read it yet?

eyesopened -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 3:49:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Yes, but most of them are illegal immigrants doing jobs that you people wouldn't dirty your hands with for money you wouldn't even dream of accepting. Name one. Name just ONE job that US citizens would not do for minimum wage? Now, show the proof that illegal immigrants work for less than minimum wage. That tired old mantra has been false from the beginning and even more so now.

tazzygirl -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 5:30:23 AM)
Proof they get paid less, eyes. They dont accept less, but they do get paid less with companies banking on them not being able to do anything about it. Even that tide is turning. quote: He hustled for years in anonymity behind the seafood counter at Super 88 supermarket in Boston, serving up heaps of swordfish, salmon, and striped bass for $6 an hour. What customers did not know was that he earned less than the minimum wage, and that he was never paid overtime for his 14-hour shifts. Sometimes, he was not paid at all. Because the fish man is an undocumented immigrant, he was unlikely to complain to government officials. Then one day, he took a plastic bag of pay stubs to a lawyer, who used these and other documents to file a complaint with the state attorney general's office demanding his full pay. To the fish man's enormous surprise, he won. Super 88 agreed to pay $200,000 in back wages and fines this summer, divided among the fish man and more than 300 other workers, a major victory in a burgeoning statewide effort to curb increasing workplace abuses against immigrants. Increasingly, officials are enforcing a state law that requires that all workers, even those here illegally, are paid for their labor. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/12/29/state_wage_laws_also_protecting_illegal_workers/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed6

eyesopened -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 5:44:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Proof they get paid less, eyes. They dont accept less, but they do get paid less with companies banking on them not being able to do anything about it. Even that tide is turning. quote: He hustled for years in anonymity behind the seafood counter at Super 88 supermarket in Boston, serving up heaps of swordfish, salmon, and striped bass for $6 an hour. What customers did not know was that he earned less than the minimum wage, and that he was never paid overtime for his 14-hour shifts. Sometimes, he was not paid at all. Because the fish man is an undocumented immigrant, he was unlikely to complain to government officials. Then one day, he took a plastic bag of pay stubs to a lawyer, who used these and other documents to file a complaint with the state attorney general's office demanding his full pay. To the fish man's enormous surprise, he won. Super 88 agreed to pay $200,000 in back wages and fines this summer, divided among the fish man and more than 300 other workers, a major victory in a burgeoning statewide effort to curb increasing workplace abuses against immigrants. Increasingly, officials are enforcing a state law that requires that all workers, even those here illegally, are paid for their labor. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/12/29/state_wage_laws_also_protecting_illegal_workers/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed6 Thanks Tazzy! I do know that it is fairly common in the construction and other industries to hire illegals, pay the same wages but just not include them in payroll in order to avoid Worker's Comp taxes and other taxes. The workers get the same wages as everyone else but the employer still cheats to benefit him/herself. So yes, illegals get less if not in acutal wages, then in benefits. There has to be a gain to the employer or they wouldn't hire them. But in all fairness, what job do they do because citizens wouldn't do it? That's the issue I really have with the old "they do jobs you wouldn't dirty your hands with". When literally hundreds of people apply for a single minimum-wage job ....just proves that US citizens are willing to work.

tazzygirl -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 5:49:14 AM)
When work is plentiful, i would imagine there are alot of jobs... farming, housecleaning, ditch digging... ect ect ect. Now when jobs are scarce, Americans want those jobs. They wont get them because the fact still remains that employers can still pay those illegals less. Until the crackdown on employers occur, it will continue to be that way.

pahunkboy -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 7:47:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Taken bit by bit, even i understand alot that is in that bill. Dont you? Or have you read it yet? Taz, I could never be as smart of Americas lawyers. So- razzle dazzle - smoke and mirrors.

Moonhead -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 10:05:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Taken bit by bit, even i understand alot that is in that bill. Dont you? Or have you read it yet? Taz, I could never be as smart of Americas lawyers. So- razzle dazzle - smoke and mirrors. So you've spent the past few months bitching about a piece of legislation you haven't read and don't understand, then?

takemeforyourown -> RE: Not Fooled by GOP Spin: Americans Still Blame Bush for Economy (4/13/2010 10:22:47 AM)
I fucking hated Bush. But he was my Commander-in-Chief while I was in the Army and I would have saluted the stupid bastard and gone to war if I'd been sent. I hate the photos like that of Obama and I don't like that one of Bush, either.

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