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thompsonx -> RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals Cheer (4/12/2010 5:20:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MasterCord
Here are my thoughts on this.....recognizing others may disagree.
Every US President, has tried to slow nuclear proliferation
I am pretty sure Roosevelt did not and I can't remember Truman being a big fan of it either. As for the other ten I am not convinced that all of them were against it either.
- most, save for President Carter did so with the olive branch AND the arrow. NO US President has ever said we would not respond to a provocation in kind, (Even President Carter TRIED to pull off an operation inside Iran...) or more strongly. Obama's goal, in my opinion, is to castrate the US military so that the money can go to fund his socialist agenda
So you would rather have wars than peace and prosperity?
and he can go down in history as some or another thing Rev. (eeeeccchhhh) Wright wants him to be. How long do you think it will be before we start hearing that given all of the debt service we are now saddled with thanks to Obamanomics, we cannot "afford" the military?
Interesting concept
What you are seeing now in my opinion, is Step 1.
Having gone all over the world sucking up to anyone willing to listen to his apologies for this country, he is now on a crusade to let the world know it is ok to walk all over us and fear nothing.
No shit?
I am sure you have some validation for this assinine line of shit.
The whole value of a nuclear force is deterrence. You saw how quickly the Iranians released the hostages once President Reagan took the oath of office.
I am gonna have to call bullshit on that one.
It is pretty common knowledge that ray-gun had illegal secret meetings with the Iranians before he was president and worked out a swap for the hostages so please leave that tired old piece of shit out in the back yard with the rest of the dog shit.
They knew he'd not take any shit from them and that he'd come after them.
Yes they all watch old B movies and saw what a stud he was...they were just glad John Wayne wasn't pres.
Read some of the post-kidnapping analysis. The Iranians feared being turned to dust. To be able to do that you need a strong military and yes, the ability to wipe entire nations off the map.
And they said Hitler and Stalin were the last of the mass murderers
Unilateral disarmament and equivalent statements about self-castration are suicide in a nuclear world. Look at history.....the weak NEVER survive.
Neither do the strong
He can apologize for himself....but I resent his trying to apologize for me. I have NOTHING to apologize to the world for. NOTHING.
So you do not believe that the elected president of our country is required by the constitution to speak for the American people?
As for the US, Stalin and Hitler, Stalin begged and then threatened,
According to both Churchill and Roosevelt who were there they did not seem to qualify his position as begging but rather demanding...as for threatning...what could he have threatened them with.
He certainly would not make peace with Germany he was kicking their fucking asses.
in order to get the Allies to open a second front, before they finally did so in Italy and to a lesser extent in North Africa.
Wrong again...North Africa comes first Then comes sicily then Italy
The Allies feared Stalin might sue for peace to save his country and join the Axis.
Hitler wanted to exterminate Russia...have you never read a history book. The allies never thought for a second that Russia would surrender. The allies did hope that the Germans would give the Russians a pretty good ass whippen' so that when Germany was finally beaten Russia would not be in a position to cause any trouble.
(...the infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact signed by Russia with Germany then their co-invasion with Germany of Poland in 1939 were ample evidence of Russian tendencies in that regard...)
Remember that the allies tried to get Poland to let Russia cross her territory. It was Stalin who proposed to Chamberlain in March of 39 a coalition against Hitler.
Once Hitler decided to attack his ally, the Allies had Stalin almost over a barrel, but again, not quite.
How so???
Had Hitler not needed to devote forces in the west, there was no way Stalin could have defeated Germany on his own.
In June of 1941 just who in Europe was Hitler fighting?
He benefitted from Lend/Lease to a degree,
Only about 10% of Russia's war materials were to come from lend lease and that not till the last two years of the war.
but what really benefitted him was the Allied war on the U-boats in the Atlantic that finally began to have an effect and allowed more and more supplies to reach Russian ports.
Horseshit ! the majority of the supplies came through Iran.
Roosevelt was prescient in that he saw Stalin needed the help while Churchill wanted to be more cautious. (...both positions understandable given Russian history....)
Really ???Just what in the history of Russia are you talking about?
It was Roosevelt who insisted on and finally set a timeframe for the invasion of Europe -
According to Churchill it was a joint decission between Roosevelt and Churchill.
something Stalin had wanted since 1942. Yes, Stalin killed LOTS of Germans but Stalin was fighting a one-front war while the Allies were engaged on both sides of the world
Yes you are so right the Russians were fighting a one front war against about six million Germans while the Anglo American forces were fighting about a million axis soldiers on two fronts...your point is clearly assinine
(Russia did not declare war on Japan until after Germany was defeated...though it had fought Japan in border wars in 1938 and 39, winning both...but Russia was losing more people in the war than anyone...)
Yeah the Germans had these Einstatzgruppen that would murder you for being "Russian in public" so yes the Russians took a hit to about 17 million of their civilian population too.
.....but put simply WW2 could not have been won by the Allies without the US, it's armed forces and its' industrial might.
That might float down at the VFW after a few beers on friday night but in the real world if you want to do a little research you will find that the Russians could have whipped the Germans by themselves then the problem would be that they were at the English Channel.
Hitler might well have defeated Stalin if he could have put 100% of his forces into it.
You might want to do a little reading before you make such statements. If Hitler could have brought all of his forces to bear against the Russians he would have only have had an extra 25% a mear 50 divisions.
When you consider that 60 days into the invasion of Russia Germany had lost over 300,000 men. They lost another 350,000 in the attack on Moscow. This is before the U.S. was even in the war.
He was working on a nuclear weapon. He was finally beginning to see the value of long-range bombers and aircraft carriers. He had the first operational jet fighters. What he did not have was a brilliant tactical mind or enough focus. The former was his issue - the latter was wholly caused by the Allies, by the US entry into the war. Even major Allied screw-ups, like Market Garden, still required Hitler to commit forces he could have used vs. Russia. The Russians did not get into Poland until January, 1945.
Wrong ...Russia got to Poland in July of 44.
If you will remember correctly Churchill gave Stalin Poland and Stalin gave Churchill Greece. Churchill tried to renig on this deal by telling the Polish underground to rise up against the Germans in Warsaw because the Russians were close that way the Polish underground which was connected to the Polish government in Exile in England would have pressence in the government. The Russians just called a halt to their advance and let the Germans in Warsaw exerminate the underground then they went in and mopped up the Germans in January of 45.
The US had given the war in Europe a priority footing, over the war in the Pacific. But...you did not see Roosevelt on the radio telling the Japanese that we would not fight them with all we had because we had to fight the war in Europe.
Non Sequeter
A very close friend I met in my industry some 30 years ago, was a carrier pilot for the IJN during WW2. I spoke with him last night on this whole Obama snafu....and he said this..."Had your President Truman told us he had a super bomb but would not use it, Japan would have seen him as a coward. It would have pushed Japan to do more because we always heard Americans did not have the guts for war. This would have proved it.
Obviously your friend did not know about the Emperor trying to surrender since 1943.
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