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RE: Respect - Do You respect Your submissive - and Why ... - 4/14/2010 8:11:02 AM   
Miyani


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Second, i grew up in a city where a young man needed a certain, "street savvy" to survive, and honestly, this background implies the concept of Female Domination must be inherently unfulfilling to the Domme, because the Domme cannot possibly have a man she respects.



Ok, here's the part that I really, really don't get. Well, aside from the entire question.

Are you saying that a guy having "street smarts" and knowing how to survive on his own makes it HARDER for a Domme to respect him? How can you possibly justify that viewpoint?

As for the question - If I couldn't respect him, I wouldn't own him, same as every other Domme (or Dom) I've met personally. I'm sorry you had a painful experience, but don't try to tar us all with the same brush. Just reserve respecting a submissive as a discussion you now know you need to have with potential Dominants.

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RE: Respect - Do You respect Your submissive - and Why ... - 4/14/2010 9:54:55 AM   
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Seeking, I think you are trying to make sense of a lot of things, some personal and some in general, but using what others say and do and what you see to make sense of personal experiences is a mistake I think. I could simply say, who care's what others think or how they live? Find what makes sense to you and be true to that. I know it isn't that simple, but it is simple. We complicate it with what other people do if we don't have a strong foundation in 'ME'... 'US'... or 'SELF'.

There are so many people with so many different emotional/mental and physical needs/experiences and takes on life. What works for one may not really work in my opinion because they haven't done their emotional homework or may have wounds. They may be perfectly happy living in what I call crazy making circumstances and have no wish to live as I would think right. Kinks and life are all different for people. What works for LA or LP or LH doesn't work for me, although we all might have many things in common. What works for Peon, Sea, Polite or whoever, might not work for you.

How is everything supposed to work? What is supposed to happen or be felt? How is it that we clump everyone into the same little box? We are all different.

While there are differences I see as healthy differences, there are many I see as unhealthy. Like the relationship you had with this woman you speak of. From what you have said, I see her as unhealthy emotionally. She wasn't strong in her 'self' and was confused and acted in that confusion. She wanted someone to obey but couldn't respect that person. She placed unspoken expectations upon someone based on her own 'lost' and then blamed them in ways that were hurtful because she was fucked up. Sorry I have no other word for that that I wish to use because the whole thing is fucked up! Look at how you are suffering now because of it. But at the same time... look at what made you who you were to accept that fucked up situation for so long. You had a part in it as well. Now you need to work it through and yet you cannot go about doing so by determining what others might do.

Why is it that if someone says something a foundation in 'self' can be so confused or changed? The answer is that there isn't a strong foundation in 'self' to start with if what someone else says or does can confuse us. There is something personal that needs to be done to assure that we are strong in who we are and no matter what anyone else says or does, until there is a strong foundation in 'self', one can be swayed, confused and lost.

I may love these wonderful dominant women, but I am not like them. We may share some ethics, morals, honor or similarities in our relationships and we are coming from healthy places I believe, but we are different. So while we may act or respond similarly in some things, we will be different in other things.

Having a strong foundation in who we are and being balanced emotionally, mentally and physically (sometimes) will create a situation where we can have healthy relationships with others. But first we have to be okay ourselves. If not, things will happen that get off balance and the wounds start multiplying.

Don't worry about whether a dominant respects their submissive. Worry about the dominant you are interested in and if she respects you. Who cares what domi or LA or I think or say? It only matters if it matters to you!

I see people making assumptions or concluding things in life that have come to that assumption and conclusion based on wounds, masks and so many other things. Then they step out and try to find someone while they have some misconceptions and pretty soon the confusion, the crazy making is in full bloom and everything is a mess. You have to start with a sound foundation in self, then another person and just go be happy. Struggling to figure it all out is complicated if we are starting from confusion or pain. Heal, learn, move on and be happy... your way and fuck everyone else. The fruit of your 'self' will prove whether you are healthy and happy. If you aren't... you have some more work to do.


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RE: Respect - Do You respect Your submissive - and Why ... - 4/14/2010 6:56:51 PM   
seekingOwnertoo


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Okay ... i think it is time for me to say a few things ...

First, let me thank all of You who have posted ... and i appreciate Your thoughts.

Of course, several of the Ladies who posted here i do know off the boards ... in CMail and other ways ... and i know them to be wonderful Ladies of great ethics and integrity; people with whom i would be proud to associate with ... in any venue.

And, there are also a few whom i know, only from the boards, BUT i am sure from their writing ... they are also Ladies of ethics and integrity, i have nothing but respect for them.

That said .. perhaps i overwrote the OP ... but i did have a purpose ... and that is all i will say on that.

The important point ... is to demonstrate that there are Ladies who are capable of giving respect ... regardless of differing perspectives, or roles ....

Everything in todays world ... is not "1950's" and the roles of a Woman and man in a relationship .... continue to grow and evolve.

What was once pecieved as correct ... may simply be wrong.

And that is the point i was trying to get to.

Trust me ... i had to dig really hard to come up with potentially different views ... and i did it while grocery shopping ... so perhaps i did not conceive or write this post well.

For that ... i do apologize.

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RE: Respect - Do You respect Your submissive - and Why ... - 4/14/2010 9:40:45 PM   
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Mdom perpsective:

Yes I do.

Why version #1: Because she's got about 2 billion very respect-worthy attributes?
Why version #2: Because being a master is a pain in the ass, why would I bother for someone I didn't respect?
Why version #3: What possible use could I have for a wife that I didn't respect?
Why version #4: Because anything else would make me an ungrateful lout?
Why version #5: Because I don't see D/s relationships as the human version of kick the dog?

I could probably go on *chuckles*

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RE: Respect - Do You respect Your submissive - and Why ... - 4/17/2010 6:04:16 PM   
DesFIP


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He couldn't have a relationship with me if he didn't respect me. He respects the fact that I am different from him and that I don't get off on the same things he does. He respects the fact that me being who I am (submissive) means he gets to have the life he wants. Saying he can't respect me for being submissive is like saying a CEO can't respect their administrative assistants. And that's not true.

I've known several CEOs and the admin ass'ts. They are highly valued professionals who help their bosses succeed and all of the top execs I've known respect and appreciate the work they do which allows the CEO to then do his job more effectively.

That's what I am to him, his girl friday if you will. The person who keeps track of stuff for him allowing him to do what he needs to more efficiently.

And if he couldn't see that, I wouldn't be with him. My ex was the other kind of man, the kind who looked down on me for doing what I did while using it to his full advantage. Until that kind of attitude and treatment killed the relationship.


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