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mnottertail -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 10:54:23 AM)

Hey Moonhead!!!  Check this fucker out!!!!!!

'Biovation3: Beyond The Gator Farm' appears to be released.

Ron 




cuckyman -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 11:27:44 AM)

nothing sadder than a fool, than to be an old fool like you obviously are....yeah, we got some gators...and they love to chomp stupid ass liberals fed to them.... bet you are a rear echelon graduate of Minnesota Marxist U and without the sense god gave a fucking goose.... typical liberal wannabe ...dominant my ass, you would probably not make a pimple on a soldier's ass..... fuck off shithead!




slvemike4u -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 1:53:39 PM)

Wow a cuck calling into question the Dominance of another....That's surreal [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 2:41:08 PM)

Mike, I will give you one back....

Hey, cuck!!!! your a tool.

Ron




slvemike4u -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 3:18:37 PM)

Ron that should be ( or at least my son the Honor Roll Grad tells me) "you're a tool" to the tool.[:)]




Musicmystery -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 3:33:27 PM)

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Only academia progressives think that government spending improves an economy
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World War Two was what got the economy moving again...and this economy only grows when government is reigned in and regulations diminished.

And in World War II, defense spending in the United States exploded from two percent of GDP in 1940 to a peak of 42 percent in 1945 and then back down to seven percent by 1947. Total government spending peaked at just under 53 percent of GDP in 1945. Additionally, we had not only regulations but government takeovers of industry and rationing of goods.

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was it penis envey when you discovered you can't cut it in the business world?.

Actually, it was my success in business that led to the invitation that is now my primary gig.

The rest of your rant is, as usual, a bunch of nonsense all over the place.

OH---speaking of New York leaving the country---if we did, we'd be far better off, since we're one of the states giving more money to the federal government than we receive.




Musicmystery -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 3:52:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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History proves that raising taxes, specifically on small businesses and the wealthy, actually decreases tax revenue.


I have to run for several hours--but do a little research, and you'll find the opposite is true regarding taxing the wealthy.

Soaking small businesses is simply a fear-mongering myth.

For reality look no further than California. Highest tax increase in the history of the county last year. Since then tax revenue is down to he point of seeking additional revenue sources.

Feel free to look it up.

California has a range of unique problems, beginning with voter mandated services and yet voter mandated restrictions on paying for them. It's an impossible situation, and nothing but changing their system is going to help.

Let's start with this--Is there an inverse relationship between tax rates and revenue collected? Within certain parameters--yes.

But that's the problem. Even the Laffer Curve acknowledges this--we aren't going to maximize revenue at 0%. Or at 100%. But that middle point is not at all concrete--people still have opportunity cost, diminishing returns, and nonpecuniary interests, all of which are going to influence marginal decisions more than tax rates.

What IS true, within a set of parameters, is that a tax cut does not cost as much as the lost revenue. That's a VERY different statement than claiming a simplistic and constant inverse relationship. In fact, even those who make the case for tax cuts increasing revenue don't do it by tax rates alone, but by bringing in a few dozen factors, all speculative, all of which have to happen for the model to work, and even then, depend on elasticity of supply and demand in labor and goods. The bottom line? They still cost money. It's not magic.

To make the case for this, you'd have to isolate income tax revenue, adjust for inflation, fluctuations in income, number of taxpayers, and compare it to tax rates just to be looking at any real numbers--and even then, you'd be ignoring several other factors, from short term/long term responses to changes in the overall economic climate and expectations.

Consider this--sales taxes go up 1%. Do you curtail your expenses? Doubtful. Probably not. OK--let's raise them 20%. Now that's going to hurt, probably, and now, at least in the long run, you might well make changes, depending on elasticity. Would you cut spending by 20%, though? Probably not--so while it would likely drag on the economy, revenue would rise (at least in the short run).

All I'm saying is this---it's not as simple as cut taxes and we have more revenue. We don't.

It's among the reasons deficits soar when people try it.







Musicmystery -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 9:50:08 PM)

And, Ron, looks like gator meat is in vogue again.

Logic lives.





brainiacsub -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 10:55:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Only academia progressives think that government spending improves an economy...

[...snipped all the less important stuff...]

I think you should sue the shit out of Glen Beck for stealing your ideas.




tazzygirl -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 10:56:53 PM)

Naaa... it furthers both their tin foil ideaology for them to parrot each other.




cuckyman -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 11:44:25 PM)

blah blah blah...take your crumbling rust belt liberal piece of shit state and stick it up your Marxist know it all ass.... fuck you... Typical liberal trash...




Musicmystery -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/16/2010 11:52:55 PM)

Facts will do that.

Sorry. Reality calls.




cadenas -> RE: With tax revenue down 25%, GOP still pushes tax cuts | Jay Bookman (4/17/2010 7:37:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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History proves that raising taxes, specifically on small businesses and the wealthy, actually decreases tax revenue.


I have to run for several hours--but do a little research, and you'll find the opposite is true regarding taxing the wealthy.

Soaking small businesses is simply a fear-mongering myth.

For reality look no further than California. Highest tax increase in the history of the county last year. Since then tax revenue is down to he point of seeking additional revenue sources.


You got the timing backwards. Tax revenues were down dramatically first. California did make one major mistake in it, though: they DIDN'T raise taxes on the highest earners, but rather on those whose spending drives the economy - low-to-middle income families.





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