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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:13:15 PM   
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waco.


What do you think I was talking about when I said the branch davidians?



No.   The guy was mad over the govt bombing Waco.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:15:45 PM   
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Popeye, I have to disagree.

McVeigh came out of the right wing militia movement, and his reasons for his actions were based in what he considered movements against right wing groups, such as the Branch Davidians and Weaver at Ruby Ridge, both right wing groups.

He was acting out of a sense of vengeance.



right wing militia?  what the hell is that?  since when does militia = right wing?  sounds like a convenient label for you to hang on it.


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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:19:32 PM   
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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:49:34 PM   
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right wing militia?  what the hell is that?  since when does militia = right wing?  sounds like a convenient label for you to hang on it.



To answer your question, which is a bit moronic, since the militia movement is exemplified by right wing and far right wing philosophies, which you seem to follow as well.

Since it is a right wing stance to be anti-government, anti centralized government (see the sovereign citizen movement) and many of these groups are also based in racist philosophies (see KKK and neo Nazi organizations) or fundamentalist christian groups with apocalyptic beliefs and preparing for the final battle between good and evil.

Being heavily based in completely false beliefs about "the government taking away their guns," or "the NWO one world government."

The groups developed during the late 80's and nineties, the developed a fear of George Bush after the passing of the patriot acts and his claim that the war against terrorism and in Iraq as bringing about a "New World Order."

To be more concise, if you need it simplified, the militia movement is a relatively new right-wing extremist movement consisting of armed paramilitary groups, both formal and informal, with an anti-government, conspiracy-oriented ideology.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 6:14:41 PM   
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They really cant bias the show if these are his words, his voice, and his thoughts.



Nonsense. You leave enough footage on the cutting room floor, take enough little quotes out of context, you can make Adolph Hitler look like a pacifist hippie, or the Dalai Lama sound like Joe Stalin.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 6:19:05 PM   
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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 6:27:23 PM   
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I'm sure that realone thinks that explosives were placed in closets when that building went up, just like the world trade center.

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Realone could witness someone parking a truck loaded with explosives in front of a building, watch the fuse get lit and then after it exploded would scream to everyone that would listen that it was imploded as part of a government conspiracy.

Servantforuse, please remember that Realone is in his own little world completely divorced from reality. If he ever realizes he is living a life of delusions, it will probably hasten his admittance to a psychward.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:10:24 PM   
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If he ever realizes he is living a life of delusions

Methinks that you are living a life of delusions too, for I have noticed that my request for a corpse has been glibly ignored. Perchance because you know very well - as do I - that there is no corpse and hence no proof that the convicted man is dead?

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:14:30 PM   
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If he ever realizes he is living a life of delusions

Methinks that you are living a life of delusions too, for I have noticed that my request for a corpse has been glibly ignored. Perchance because you know very well - as do I - that there is no corpse and hence no proof that the convicted man is dead?




So it is your contention that the execution was faked?

A Federal Law prohibited McVeigh from being buried in a military cemetery, and no one claimed his body, so it was cremated and given to his lawyer, who scattered the ashes at an undisclosed location.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:21:46 PM   
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A Federal Law prohibited McVeigh from being buried in a military cemetery, and no one claimed his body, so it was cremated and given to his lawyer, who scattered the ashes at an undisclosed location.

So you cannot prove that he is dead, right? So he might be the guy with the beard living across the street from you, right?

Edited to add: In fact it is a possibility that I might be him, having tremendous fun that I cannot convince you that I am still alive, not so? (For the record: I am not him.)

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:27:24 PM   
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YOU prove it. YOU prove there are not considerations taken into a building for eventual demolition. YOU prove that the government was not aware or even complicit. I am not even asking you to prove they were incompetent. I am not asking you to prove they planned it, just that they were not complicit. And while you're at it include your analysis of the siesmic data.

YOU explain the chain of events to me that led to the success of the WTC destruction, in a country with the largest military budget and supposedly the best technology on this planet somehow missed planes headed for building instead of airports and  RADAR coverage that can smell a joint in a Cessna. And one of the buildings was the friggin pentagon !

And I want to know two things. On 9/11/01, at the WTC and the pentagon, just who WASN'T there ? The President was conveniently in a grade school. And also please explain why a bunch of people were on the rooftop of a building near the WTC taking video - just in case something happened. And also about 1993 (or was it 1991) when the FBI was caught redhanded actually involved with that failed mess.

YOU explain it to ME. Then I will take your side and cheer our wonderful government on, which has proven it's loyalty and ethics time and time again.

I don't claim to have all the answers, I never did. Please enlighten me when you have all the answers. I'll write it down and possibly a thousand years from now some King or who the fuck knows will cannonize it or whatever and make it a part of a new Bible.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:28:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ten people -- members of the victims' families and survivors of the bombing -- witnessed the execution from a room beside the death chamber.

More than 650 miles away in Oklahoma City, 232 survivors and family members watched on closed-circuit television.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:32:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, let's just capitulate that he is dead.

Now, if I was as ruthless as the government and I got some patsy to do this shit I wouldn't want him talking, and he is dead.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:39:23 PM   
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OK, let's just capitulate that he is dead.

I do not admit anything like that.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:45:05 PM   
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Ten people -- members of the victims' families and survivors of the bombing -- witnessed the execution from a room beside the death chamber.

More than 650 miles away in Oklahoma City, 232 survivors and family members watched on closed-circuit television.

Them people saw him get shot in the head and saw the bits of brain tissue and blood flying around? Yep, then he must be dead.

Them people saw him get beheaded and the blood spout out of the trunk of his neck? Yep, then he must be dead.

Them people saw him pulled into quarters by four bulls and his blood wetting the sand? Yep, then he must be dead.

Somehow, though, I very much doubt that any of the above three "he must be very dead" scenario's occurred.

Why do you not fess up and tell people what really happened and that you cannot definitely prove that the convicted man was indeed executed?


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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:54:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		McVey was after members of the FBI stationed in the office building. He got quite a few of them.  Everyone else was collateral to that goal.

There were two motives at work.

Revenge.

And sending the message that "You are NOT as powerful as you think you are."
 
Which is why the government is not gonna cop to what he had to say in it's purity.

The last thing they want is for Tim to pass on his legacy to others.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 10:57:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rule, you are as bad as Real when it comes to conspiracy crap.

Prove he is alive and well in the United States. You cant.

With all the statements from the doctor that pronounced him dead, the witnesses both in the observation room, the witnesses to the body's cremation, I would tend to believe that.


It rates right up there with the story that the man who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald was actually a soviet agent, and the real Lee Harvey Oswald was killed in the soviet union and replaced. Plastic surgery so well done that his fingerprints were duplicated and matched.

The fact is that even if you remove fingerprints with acid, which has been done, the fingerprints grow back.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 11:02:16 PM   
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So either way, anyone prove he is dead or alive. Can't do it. Who cares anyway really. And what if the condemnned signed an organ donor release ? Let's say some senator has a relative who needs a kidney.

Skeptical ? Bow to your Master.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 11:14:19 PM   
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Prove he is alive and well in the United States. You cant.

I do not have to prove that. It is for you to show me his corpse as I requested. You have admitted that you cannot show me his corpse.

I also note that you glibly ignore my suggestion that you tell people how the convicted man was allegedly executed. Perhaps you have something to hide?

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It rates right up there with the story that the man who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald was actually a soviet agent, and the real Lee Harvey Oswald was killed in the soviet union and replaced. Plastic surgery so well done that his fingerprints were duplicated and matched.

The fact is that even if you remove fingerprints with acid, which has been done, the fingerprints grow back.

That is a straw man argument, which I do not tolerate. You demean yourself by suggesting such. You would be wise to retract it.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/15/2010 12:13:11 AM   
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Prove he is alive and well in the United States. You cant.

I do not have to prove that. It is for you to show me his corpse as I requested. You have admitted that you cannot show me his corpse.

I also note that you glibly ignore my suggestion that you tell people how the convicted man was allegedly executed. Perhaps you have something to hide?

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It rates right up there with the story that the man who was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald was actually a soviet agent, and the real Lee Harvey Oswald was killed in the soviet union and replaced. Plastic surgery so well done that his fingerprints were duplicated and matched.

The fact is that even if you remove fingerprints with acid, which has been done, the fingerprints grow back.

That is a straw man argument, which I do not tolerate. You demean yourself by suggesting such. You would be wise to retract it.




McVeigh was executed by lethal injection, witnessed and attested to by a number of people.

And the straw man argument as you put does not demean me, I merely gave another example of the logic you are putting forth. Your logic is that all evidence supporting the fact that McVeigh was executed was falsified, and the event was faked.

The problem with this is that no one can keep their mouth shut. The problems with the witness protection program is a good example.

quote:

Witness protection program faces challenges

Some witnesses charged with new crimes
But there have been problems. A separate study cited by the Marshals Service found that about 17 percent of protected witnesses with criminal pasts have been charged with new crimes.

Other people have quit the program, against the advice of authorities, sometimes with tragic results. Brenda Paz, a former gang member who had been helping a federal murder case against her former boyfriend, died of multiple stab wounds in 2003, two months after she gave up federal protection. Four alleged members of the MS-13 gang, including the ex-boyfriend, have been charged in her killing.


Another hole in your theory is that the Timothy McVeigh case took place during the Clinton Administration, the same administration that was in power at the time of the Waco incident AND the Administration who prosecuted the individuals involved in the Ruby Ridge incident.

Your theory would involve members of the Government up to and including the President, which makes no sense since it was Bush who was, according to the conspiracy theories, responsible for 9/11.

There were no moves against any right wing groups after Oklahoma City, no prosecutions, no ATF raids. There was one siege incident involving a group who kidnapped a west Texas couple after one of their own was arrested by local authorities.



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