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subtee -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:20:51 AM)
~FR I'm so submissive I ... don't even have control of my bladder. (Bah dum dum)

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:22:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtee ~FR I'm so submissive I ... don't even have control of my bladder. (Bah dum dum) Good one..[:)]

UniqueRaven -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:23:47 AM)
Sure, it's splitting hairs, but it's true - i can submit to the beating, but not obey the command to make tea. That's why the "whole package" as i see it and have learned is serve, submit, obey - not any one alone. (Next part not directed at you Icarys) My opinion: i think in general people get too caught up in the "value" of submission, and that it is some fabulous state of being. They make it into this transcendent mental state of some sort - which it isn't. Submission is an action - that's it. The value lies in the people involved, and how they apply Dominance and submission to their relationship (agreeing with Jeff here [;)]).

Jeffff -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:24:17 AM)
I am so dominant that I can not shop on line because at check out they also ask you to click "submit" I just can't do it!

subtee -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:25:16 AM)
Hahaha this needs its own thread... edit because I made possessive out of it's which is not very submissive of me

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:28:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff I am so dominant that I can not shop on line because at check out they also ask you to click "submit" I just can't do it! Your just jealous of my man heels.(I'm so happy it says OK instead of submit to make this post..Wheew!)

leadership527 -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:29:26 AM)
OK, so I'm genuinely curious... if someone has "surrendered", what exactly have they surrendered? If they are disobeying, then it is clearly not their personal authority (aka, "will") that they have surrendered. Can you define this "surrender" thing in practical terms?

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:34:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven Sure, it's splitting hairs, but it's true - i can submit to the beating, but not obey the command to make tea. That's why the "whole package" as i see it and have learned is serve, submit, obey - not any one alone. (Next part not directed at you Icarys) My opinion: i think in general people get too caught up in the "value" of submission, and that it is some fabulous state of being. They make it into this transcendent mental state of some sort - which it isn't. Submission is an action - that's it. The value lies in the people involved, and how they apply Dominance and submission to their relationship (agreeing with Jeff here [;)]). Sure and you can obey your boss and not submit to his advances but what's the difference..You still said no to one and not to the other and each of those words mean the same thing in a practical sense. It can also be a state of mind and or trait as Jeff is pointing out. If you'll notice..Not that this is the be all for definitions but it makes a little sense. something (manuscripts or architectural plans and models or estimates or works of art of all genres etc. ... the act of submitting; usually surrendering power to another the condition of having submitted to control by someone or something else; "the union was brought into submission"; "his submission to the will of God" meekness: the feeling of patient, submissive humbleness a legal document summarizing an agreement between parties in a dispute to abide by the decision of an arbiter (law) a contention presented by a lawyer to a judge or jury as part of the case he is arguing

UniqueRaven -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:40:03 AM)
You can surrender your body, and not your mind, or your mind can obey, but not surrender. Simple enough, really. i can submit to a physical beating and still not be obedient. People do this all the time. i see submission as a physical action of essentially giving my body over to another for use - if i want to, i can submit to my poodle, or even my chair (not sure what it would do with me) - but am i obeying the poodle or the chair? No. But i very easily could submit to either one. Watch me, i'll do it now lies on the floor so my poodle can jump on me - hee hee! Obedience is primarily a mental action - doing as you're told. My poodle could bark at me to go get him a doggie treat, and i may do so, but i don't have to give my body to him to use - and i am making a conscious mental choice of my own action to fetch him the treat. There is no control of my physical state in this regard. To me it is very cut and dry, because service, submission, and obedience have very different headspaces and sensations for me. It may just be one of those things where i will be unable to explain. But yes, i know when i am serving, i know when i am submitting, and i know when i'm obeying - and they are three very different things. Sometimes i do two at once, or even all three at once, but they are separate components of the whole. i'm not sure i can explain much more than i am explaining here. Yes, splitting hairs. But i come from the training that there are three components (serve, submit, obey) for a reason. [;)] ETA: This thread has gone all over the place - if someone would like to start a new thread i'd be happy to discuss there.

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:42:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven You can surrender your body, and not your mind, or your mind can obey, but not surrender. Simple enough, really. i can submit to a physical beating and still not be obedient. People do this all the time. i see submission as a physical action of essentially giving my body over to another for use - if i want to, i can submit to my poodle, or even my chair (not sure what it would do with me) - but am i obeying the poodle or the chair? No. But i very easily could submit to either one. Watch me, i'll do it now lies on the floor so my poodle can jump on me - hee hee! Obedience is primarily a mental action - doing as you're told. My poodle could bark at me to go get him a doggie treat, and i may do so, but i don't have to give my body to him to use - and i am making a conscious mental choice of my own action to fetch him the treat. There is no control of my physical state in this regard. To me it is very cut and dry, because service, submission, and obedience have very different headspaces and sensations for me. It may just be one of those things where i will be unable to explain. But yes, i know when i am serving, i know when i am submitting, and i know when i'm obeying - and they are three very different things. Sometimes i do two at once, or even all three at once, but they are separate components of the whole. i'm not sure i can explain much more than i am explaining here. Yes, splitting hairs. But i come from the training that there are three components (serve, submit, obey) for a reason. [;)] ETA: This thread has gone all over the place - if someone would like to start a new thread i'd be happy to discuss there. I understand where your coming from but it makes no difference.

UniqueRaven -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:43:59 AM)
Absolutely submission can be a state of mind - there are people with submissive personalities everywhere you look. However it is not a state of being is my point. [;)] This is what i mean when i say people put too much value on submission, is all. ETA: i'm happy that if the only person who it makes a difference to is me. [:)] We all have different ways of seeing things, and it's fun to share. One thing i'm not good at though, is debate - tends to get a bit overwhelming for me, so i'll probably just watch the thread for a while.

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:48:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven Absolutely submission can be a state of mind - there are people with submissive personalities everywhere you look. However it is not a state of being is my point. [;)] This is what i mean when i say people put too much value on submission, is all. ETA: i'm happy that if the only person who it makes a difference to is me. [:)] We all have different ways of seeing things, and it's fun to share. One thing i'm not good at though, is debate - tends to get a bit overwhelming for me, so i'll probably just watch the thread for a while. That's too bad.[:D]

Smutmonger -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:51:25 AM)
Do we need to rename you "diaper baby tee" then? And not let you sit on the furniture?[:)] quote: ORIGINAL: subtee ~FR I'm so submissive I ... don't even have control of my bladder. (Bah dum dum)

ownedbyPF -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:54:45 AM)
Just so ya know uniqueraven... I'm with ya;) I get the difference, and agree there are three pieces to the puzzle in order for there to be an entire picture. I, like you, am positive I can't really explain it. I give you kudos for trying really hard to though! :) The best I can come up with is submitting is an action while obeying is a reaction. ~s edited to add.... omg! I forgot the ever important disclaimer.... for me. [;)] The entire picture for me in my relationship with my Owner. Whew! Got back in time to edit!

UniqueRaven -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:56:25 AM)
Ah, a breath of fresh air and validation - thank you! [:)]

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 11:58:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven Ah, a breath of fresh air and validation - thank you! [:)] [8\|] lol

Icarys -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 12:12:55 PM)
Let me try to explain..Submit, obey, surrender and whatever other word you want to use like that is in itself in essence the same..Your right they are actions by themselves..But being submissive as a whole isn't a collection of those actions. More so a state of being and those people tend to come with a particular mindset. For me it involves a meeker and humble spirit..For others, not so much. I've been told by a couple on the boards.."Your not dominate" because I don't fit their ideas of course of what that is..I usually look at the source and think I probably wouldn't because they don't fit my idea of what a submissive is either. Yet like Jeff has stated..That's neither here nor there..I still understand that there are many variations on a theme.

leadership527 -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 12:14:11 PM)
quote: UniqueRaven said: i see submission as a physical action of essentially giving my body over to another for use... Unless, of course, the usage demanded of your body is "the making of tea"??

UniqueRaven -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 12:21:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 quote: UniqueRaven said: i see submission as a physical action of essentially giving my body over to another for use... Unless, of course, the usage demanded of your body is "the making of tea"?? This is why i have a hard limit on serving Engineers. Hee hee! [:D] (just kidding) One thing about me, i am very much a feeling person - my skills are very soft ones. i feel first, and think second - and it it is a distant second - it takes effort for me to consider and think about things. One of the reasons caging is so good for me, it is "processing time." So this will be one of those times i will be unable to explain how i process things. i've done my best. But thank you for discussing it with me. [:)]

pyroaquatic -> RE: What exactly makes you think that you are Submissive? (4/14/2010 12:22:31 PM)
She commands, I obey? I really do not care for titles... as they are normally misnomers. The title 'slave' speaks little of what I do. The point is she knows what I am and all the things I would do for her. That is what is important.... not the title. I am simply Pyroaquatic. (although at one time I fantasized being a samurai with a terribly cute lady as my retainer.)

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