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read this please - 4/14/2010 6:57:47 PM   
DomKen


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Please call your congresspersons. Please demand that this stop and these wronged soldiers be correctly compensated.
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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 7:04:07 PM   
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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 7:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is not anything new. It has been a common practice since Vietnam. I have a friend I served with that broke his leg in three places in a night drop where his chute fouled, and he was discharged not on a medical but for other reasons. It took him nine years to get VA Benefits for his leg, which after being set was an inch shorter than the other one due to the severity of the bone damage.

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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 7:13:41 PM   
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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 7:14:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too true Jeff this country has a piss poor record when it come to caring for those it sends into harms way who have the misfortune to come home incomplete in one sense or another.The shame is most acute in the area of mental health.It is truly a stain on the character of the nation.

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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 7:26:57 PM   
flcouple2009


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Status: offline 		Sadly this is nothing new.  This has been a disgrace that should have been righted a long long time ago.

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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 8:08:00 PM   
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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 8:30:20 PM   
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I think that the way our government treats veterans is a disgrace.

This is only 1 example. There are too many examples for any one of them to be an exception.

Another group of soldiers suffering have been exposed to depleted uranium. There are entire platoons of deformed children.
They have severe birth defects because of there parents exposer to DU. The DU is used as heavy artillary to penetrate tanks and armored vehicles.

What I think is most disgraceful is that our knowledge about our government is also know throught the rest of the world.

How does this make our nation look?

We look like bullies, not to mention IDIOTS! We bomb other countries indiscriminently and we discriminate against our own countrymen.











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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 8:47:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. It's not new but that's what makes it even worse. We've all pledged "never again" in regards to the neglect and bias shown to veterans after Vietnam. Now we see that all of those promises to honor the troops means nothing to those we've entrusted with this duty. The American public has to demand that those who volunteer to defend this nation be treated fairly and that the promises made to them are kept.

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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 9:00:07 PM   
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I would like to add a very serious problem of Post Traumatic Stress that our veterans suffer.

Everybody that goes to war suffers PTS.

I believe that Americans as a whole are suffering PTS.

The stress is obvious, the country is in debt and every group in America is ready to shoot each other.

I think that in the next round of elections people should put some issues aside and THINK.

I think the people of this country seriously do need a team of intellectuals to get US out of this mess.

The state of our union should not be totally in the hands of mere politicians.



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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 10:01:28 PM   
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I could make a few calls and see if I can get through to Dennis (Cocksnitch, our pet name for him). Also someone should probably write Ron Paul.

But then there might be a better idea...........

Put up signs around recruiting stations reporting this to potentuial enlistees. This should ensure that most future soldiers are criminals. This fucking mob that runs this country aren't worth our best and brightest.

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RE: read this please - 4/14/2010 10:09:09 PM   
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This affects me, and I've never supported any war.

I don't know how the rest of you who do deal with yourselves. Alcohol, probably. Pain-pills. Cheap women.

Also, this pre-existing condition nonsense.... kind of reminds of me predetermination.

Revolution, anyone?

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RE: read this please - 4/15/2010 3:39:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Sadly this is nothing new.  This has been a disgrace that should have been righted a long long time ago.


We agree.

But I will go further- they pump these guys up with all kinds of shots and new meds.

Maybe nil bad effects at first- but in later time- when the soldier might be mad at uncle sam- he is too lame to do anything about it.

War is neither just or fair.

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RE: read this please - 4/15/2010 7:01:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Damn.  I read this article twice.  As I read it the second time, thoughts ran thru my mind.  First was...when people were first against the Iraq war, anyone who spoke out was unpatriotic.  Complaining about mounting debt and money equated to not wanting to support the troops.  Ironic how on the actual battlefield they'd physically and mentally abuse their troops with bullshit like this.  (Again, further proving to me that war and politics, while related, are two different things.  Another thought that ran thru my mind is did his PTSD come from the psychological fallout of the war, or the psychological fall out of the headgames his superiors were putting him through.

That they can even publish a story like that, and not actually treat the man is mind boggling to me.  That they can print a story like that...that Obama knew this was a problem when he was a senator...and he can't get his military record straightened out (despite the injuries he sustained when the tower he was in was hit and he went down, again, boggles my mind. 

I've printed this story out and will ultimately mail it to Florida's congressmen with my thoughts and protests on the treatment of our soldiers who fight for our freedom.  I have just emailed Obama  http://www.emailthepresident.com/ (ok, I know this is a benign attempt, but I email our damn president everytime something bugs me...maybe one day he will get one of those emails!)  And I am also taking this to our local representatives, in hopes they will at least bring this matter to the attention of others.

I feel for this man who was defending our country and got shafted, ultimately, by the country he defended.

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RE: read this please - 4/15/2010 8:32:13 AM   
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RE: read this please - 4/15/2010 9:18:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Welcome to the War economy.


You may enter- but never leave.



hehe

Wasn't there a Hotel in California that was like that?  I remember a band called the Eagles telling us about it 

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RE: read this please - 4/16/2010 8:22:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Acceptance of this requires "the willing suspension of disbelief". I googled Mr Kors.
I do not believe this story, if for no other reason than the fact that everyone at Camp Taji would have to be complicit in the coverup.

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RE: read this please - 4/16/2010 9:09:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Acceptance of this requires "the willing suspension of disbelief". I googled Mr Kors.
I do not believe this story, if for no other reason than the fact that everyone at Camp Taji would have to be complicit in the coverup.

So it is your contention that a man in his late 30's who had served with honor since 1988 had an undiagnosed severe Personality Disorder, which always emerge prior to adulthood, despite 8 seperate psychological examinations prior to being injured. Is it your further contention that the dozens of other service people discharged during the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts for having PD were all also undiagnosed prior to being injured in combat?

How precisely did these people, all according to you suffering from a severe incapacitating mental illness, pass the initial psychological screening all recruits undergo?

Finally if you read the entire article how do you explain that Luther has been found by the VA to not have PD but to have PTSD and a traumatic Brain Injury, both service related, that leaves him 80% disabled. Or maybe you could explain the exact same diagnosis by a civilian psychologist who described the army's diagnosis of PD to be a "gross error?"


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RE: read this please - 4/16/2010 9:12:06 AM   
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RE: read this please - 4/16/2010 10:12:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Acceptance of this requires "the willing suspension of disbelief". I googled Mr Kors.
I do not believe this story, if for no other reason than the fact that everyone at Camp Taji would have to be complicit in the coverup.


Would you be willing to give your opinion of Pfc.Bobby Garwood USMC?

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