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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 8:20:35 AM   
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Kit:

My late dad and I had some extremely perplexing conversations when I was younger.   My brothers miss them. So do I.

I now have outlived my dads lifespan by 4 years.  So I have my moms sides genes of longevity. (maybe)

But man I miss those talks.  any boyfriends mind would have to enjoy that with me.  Nothing less then that would work out long term.

PA,I would imagine all of your conversations are perplexing no matter who with,or even if there is in fact another participant .



Oddly it has been a blessing at times- a curse at other times.

In recent years tho- I gotten better at avoiding the bad outcomes.

Yay.

Who knows- maybe one day- I will make the big time.     Y'all can say- yeah we knew that nut from PA.

As to my last meal prior to execution- undecided.  LOL.   ;-0

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 8:50:20 AM   
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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 10:26:14 AM   
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Thanks for that, Kirata - must check it out :-) . I gave birth in a birthing pool, with the lights dimmed and soothing music being played, which sounds quite similar to what Leboyer advocated. It was, indeed, completely non-violent. No intervention whatsoever.

That's wonderful... and yes indeed, the development of birth pools was based on LeBoyer's work:

Following on from Leboyer, another French obstetrician, Michel Odent, pioneered the practice of low intervention labour and took the "Leboyer bath" one step further, developing the use of warm-water pools for a water birth.

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 10:48:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		And, just like with VBACs and trial of labor, there are a number of women who should not give birth in a pool.

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 12:36:30 PM   
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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 12:47:15 PM   
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The man is as straightlaced, rigid and conventional as they come. Refrigerating, in fact - it's a bit of a mystery to me why women fall at his feet so easily. Must be his good looks. What woman would sleep with an OB-GYN ? It's bizarre to think of going to bed with a guy whose profession is to poke at pudenda all day, isn't it? Or is it just me because it's my dad rofl? Anyway, I've strayed enough from the subject of the thread - my apologies to the OP.


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Hmmm... zee young vooman grows up with a vather who ess cold and diztant, yet zee zame vather spends ess days looking at zee intamite parts of udder vimen. Ze lacs of parternal afecczen in er life now causes zee young vooman to zeek afecczen from zee men by zubmitting zexually to zem.

My recomdazen is zat zee young vooman zay "who zee fucz care? I am having zee fun!" Becasue zee fucking ess zuppozed to be zee fun.

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I should probably admit that the fact that I have two older sisters who spent the better part of our childhoods thinking up ingenious ways to torment me probably played a role in my own proclivities. But who the fuck cares, I'm having fun?!

By the way I agree with slvemike4u that you do have a bit of the sadist side in you. It's cool. I believe that all of us contain an element of the opposit in us.

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 12:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to note, folks that with all of the talk of c-sections in a somewhat negative light (myself included), they are necessary sometimes.

I won't go into details but my niece had to have a c-section (otherwise she would have lost the baby). The doctors and the staff at the hospital were all top notch professionals and today my niece is perfectly healthy (and considering having another baby) and my grand-niece is the sweetest little girl you'd ever wanna meet.

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 1:28:27 PM   
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Yes we do need healthcare reform, but not the kind most people think.


Indeed we do. Taking the profit motive out it is the best reform possible. And while we're at it, let's do away with the bloated parasites of insurance, pharma, and every other entity feeding off the ill health of others.

End of hijack.



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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 5:37:10 PM   
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subfever, that was the opposite of a hijack. So saith the OP.

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Yes we do need healthcare reform, but not the kind most people think.


Indeed we do. Taking the profit motive out it is the best reform possible. And while we're at it, let's do away with the bloated parasites of insurance, pharma, and every other entity feeding off the ill health of others.

End of hijack.




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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 6:02:23 PM   
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Per live birth? Aylee pointed out the problems with such statistics here.

So, the question that naturally follows is how does The Lancet account for the differences in the way live births are counted in the varying countries when putting those statistics together?



Actually, people can scroll down one post on that link and see exactly why Aylee's attempt to resurrect an already-discredited argument failed. Those people may also wonder what that attempt to explain away a huge gap in infant mortality has to do with something as statistically straightforward as the number of women who die in childbirth.

Imagine how huge that oopsie in 181 countries would have to be to cut the number of dead American mothers in half, to match Albania, Canada and most of Europe.

Sanity, the Lancet, being the most prestigious medical journal on the planet (or the second most, if you're at Harvard), doesn't do studies, it reports on them.

If the Lancet found the study credible enough to report it, and you personally think it's just another conspiracy to look at a couple of hundred countries just make one country's for-profit medicine look bad, you might have to offer a slightly more convincing challenge to the glaring numbers than "maybe they put those statistics together wrong," hmm?

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/15/2010 6:06:26 PM   
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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/16/2010 4:51:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps i overlooked it, but the articles in the op addressed live births. Overlooked is getting the mother and infant to that point.

What are the stats for lost pregnancies secondary to issues such as pre-eclmpsia, ruptured placenta, premature labor, etc.? My guess is medical intervention in the US has brought many high risk pregnancies far enough along for the baby to be viable. I have serious doubts about anywhere else.


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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/16/2010 7:24:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		"With the immigration process such as it is (absolutely, radically insane), this is not a plan I would advise anyone to follow, unless they want to risk their progeny's citizenship and future"

If that is true, it that true ? In other words if it is so bad would you want them to come "back" ?. I'm not so sure I would. Given the state of this country and the direction in which it is headed we might arrive at a time when our percieved unique "rights" are just not worth our well being.

I know a few immigrants, some worked here on H1B visas for a time and then got citizenship. Some of them wish they hadn't. Working and paying taxes they are hassled by INS, and the consensus now is the best way to get into this country is to either be totally fucking useless or a drug dealer.

Merc and Beth are supposedly headed for Italy because they want to keep their wealth rather than throw it away on a currency that is destined for the sewer. I don't believe she is pregnant at the moment. They are not dummies, and when US citizens begin to give up the unique advantages of staying here for stability and peace, there is something wrong. Infant and maternal mortality rates are only one small part of the problem. If you think about the future of your progeny, US citizenship under scrutiny can become not so attractive.

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/16/2010 7:32:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Italy still has a living Communist party. Italy has a rampant bureaucracy and a love of all things centralised. If people think that they'll have less government influence upon their lives in Italy, they are in for a rude awakening.

My comment was more to the point that the immigration system is beyond broken here. The rules are vague, there is no systematic application of them, and it's all a lottery. If people move out, have babies abroad, and hope to be able to come back with these babies... they, too, might be in for a rude awakening.

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/16/2010 12:46:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Italy still has a living Communist party"

Nothing personal kit, but I feel like tearing something up right now. So your point is that they are honest about it ? And the other nail, if people can vote for or against the communists, is that not by definition a democracy ?

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/16/2010 3:11:40 PM   
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subfever, that was the opposite of a hijack. So saith the OP.


Thanks, mcbride.

Not a hijack, and certainly not a popular notion either...

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RE: American and pregnant? Go to Italy, or Albania. - 4/16/2010 10:17:47 PM   
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Oh, Lucy, I know, I know...I try to help him, but he flat out either runs away entirely, as he did with his claim that "Canadians are actually looking towards making changes that would make their system look more like ours,"  and when he told us that appeasement poster boy Neville Chamberlain was a liberal, or he steadfastly ignores detailed proof that he's full of...um...disinformation...on, say, life expectancy and quality of health care, on who's helping Haiti, or even his zany contention that Cheney took al-Qaeda seriously.

But I live in hope, y'know?




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