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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: rfd1

Big Brother is watching.

This Bishop is well known for his antisemitism. He went on TV and made a broadcast which was against the law. Would you suggest the Taliban are allowed to do the same in the US ? Somehow I doubt it.

I think that should be allowed. That's part of the deal. You should have the right to say what you wish. You can then deal with the consequences.

If it is not allowed, are We any better than the Taliban?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Freedom of speech is a rare and precious thing. Perhaps one day such basic human liberty will be granted by the governments of Europe and Canada to their subjects.

Thank God it doesn't work that way here.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Freedom of speech is a rare and precious thing. Perhaps one day such basic human liberty will be granted by the governments of Europe and Canada to their subjects.

Thank God it doesn't work that way here.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

What is the point you are trying to make?

It's strange (even if the OP is a 'denier'... which I don't know.)

Why not ignore these losers (you know... deniers)?

The court isn't meant to rule over speech. Even if obscenity is a gray area for some -- I think that's also overblown, but let's focus -- I don't think hate rhetoric is a matter of law. Too close to out-and-out regulating thought, which directly contradicts the spirit of freedom.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: rfd1

Big Brother is watching.

This Bishop is well known for his antisemitism. He went on TV and made a broadcast which was against the law. Would you suggest the Taliban are allowed to do the same in the US ? Somehow I doubt it.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I think the point is obvious.....not to mention insidious....a denier walks amongst us...well actually we have a few here anyway.
Funny thing they all seem to be a few cards short of a full deck [:)]

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Freedom of speech is a rare and precious thing. Perhaps one day such basic human liberty will be granted by the governments of Europe and Canada to their subjects.

Thank God it doesn't work that way here.

I love it when you post this crap about Europe. The reason these laws came into use was because neo nazi parties were using it as a tactic to inflame anti semitic feelings. Tell me how this differs with past cases involving the kkk. Specifically, Brandenburgh. Seems to me his free speech was curtailed, and rightly so in my view.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I believe Dubbelganger makes a good point - it is for the Germans to make and enforce their laws, and to amend or repeal them as they see fit. I also believe Termyn8or makes a good point - all this fuss over denying something so gargantuan, so horrific and so well evidenced may well serve the denial better than the truth.

But I am not sure that it is as simple a matter as making denial a crime in this instance. Rather I see this particular prohibition as part and parcel of something larger that was seen to be necessary to the rehabilitation of the German and certain other European peoples - the rendering impossible, by use of law, of any possibility of rehabilitation of the nazi movement; branded forever with its crimes, unable whether at one stroke or incrementally to shake itself free of association with them.

There may come a time when this law, and similar laws designed to this end, are relaxed or repealed. But as long as we have those who, for whatever reason, seek to rehabilitate naziism to show it as anything other than a philosophy of inhumanity that led to the deaths in repression, war and industrialised genocide of millions, I see no reason to criticise those who take an approach which includes such prohibition.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Am I meant to understand then RO, that you believe

a) naziism has had a bad press and/or

Do I need ot post that olympic swimming pool beside the prisoner barracks  at auschwitz AGAIN or would you rather I posted the Jewsish whorehouse on the corner by the gate, or maybe the dancing girs, or how about the prisoner band?

Whats in a label LE?    

b) naziism is deserving of rehabilitation and/or

The holohoax has nothing to do with nazism.  That is just the propagandists buzz word.  Most people today are beyond that kind of foolishness.  At least in america.

If you want to score points in america you have to re-label it and call it "terrorist"  thats the modern BUZZZZZword.

c) the formulation of law at gunpoint is a good thing

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
or when those who made the law are looking down the barrel of a 44, much like your wonderful king who negotiated the the great charter.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

So then I should take it that you do believe naziism has had a bad press and that a key aspect in that is that a hoax was perpetrated as to a genocide that was pinned on naziism.

What genocide?  Prove genocide occurred.  Of jews no less.  Then lets talk about the UK US slaughter of over 1.5 million iraqis and spreading depleted uranium all over so how many more millions are born with birth defects.  So yo uapprove of brit us genocide then?



Further that you believe that law formulated and enforced at gunpoint is a good thing - which one might comment is alike with the same sort of thinking attributed to naziism.

Ok so you talk past my point purposefully reconstructing it to mischaracterize it?

LE that kind of debating is below you and I hope you dont join the ranks of politesub and about 6 others out here that use the same weak tactics.

You are a curious sort RO, to apparently so endorse a good name for naziism whilst simultaneously preaching the rights of the individual above those of the state.

Again LE, I said it has nothing to do with Nazism.

This alone indicates your failure to comprehend the nature of naziism in its origin, character and workings; which likely should account for your failure to acknowledge the consequences its promulgation had.

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