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pahunkboy -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/17/2010 4:16:35 PM)
I cant come to the phone right now. I am checking to see if it is legal to ask.-----------------------------

TheHeretic -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/17/2010 4:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I am checking to see if it is legal to ask.----------------------------- No worries, Pahunk. You and those websites and radio shows you put way too much faith in are fine, here.

Politesub53 -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/17/2010 5:33:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Am I wrong? I thought the Monarch had German blood in them. Anglo-Saxons....... get a clue and get a grip. Termy, I see my point still zoomed straight over your head like a V2 rocket. Germany brought in the laws they did, due to a steep rise in right wing violence. This included several deaths. The idea of the law is to stop the neo-nazis from inciting violence. You see it as stopping free speech, most over here see it as stopping racial and religious persecution.

pahunkboy -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/17/2010 6:11:51 PM)
*The 1990 Echo of Weimar 1923* Germany’s fate during the crucial strategic development of 1923, was a product of that history to which I have referred, summarily, above. It was a history whose principal developments date from the 1890 expulsion of Chancellor Bismarck through the influence exerted by the Prince of Wales Albert Edward. This was not a mere matter of personalities; it has been an outgrowth of what has been expressed in the subsumed role of personalities. The actions taken against Germany, jointly, by Britain’s Margaret Thatcher, France’s President François Mitterrand, and U.S. President George H.W. Bush, had been virtually copies of that collective decision of the Versailles victors which had been used by, principally, the same British interests, and their Wall Street accomplices, which had brought Adolf Hitler to power in Germany at the close of January 1933. That is a bitter lesson to be considered from past history, for today. How shall we now escape the presently onrushing repetition of old follies which had gripped our United States, once more, in these, our present, recent times?/snip http://www.larouchepac.com/node/13731

cadenas -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 12:01:23 AM)
German courts claim jurisdiction over holocaust denial regardless of citizenship or where it was said. They base that on the claim that in today's age of mass media, even something published in Australia could conceivably be read by a German. Two years ago, they asked Britain to arrest and extradite an Australian on the way from the USA to Dubai, for things he published in Australia (Britain refused). quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen According to what I understand T, the idiot gave an interview to the Swedish TV channel in Regensburg, Germany. It was then broadcast in Sweden but the nature of the comments attracted attention to him. The court had jurisdiction as it would appear, because he said what he said in Germany. E

Termyn8or -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:15:36 AM)
"German courts claim jurisdiction over holocaust denial regardless of citizenship or where it was said. They base that on the claim that in today's age of mass media, even something published in Australia could conceivably be read by a German. Two years ago, they asked Britain to arrest and extradite an Australian on the way from the USA to Dubai, for things he published in Australia " And that's just fine right ? Where do I have to go to get punished. (don't fucking start now, I didn't mean that) And I doubt the German government is even German with that attitude. Who they are is anyone's guess, but I don't think they are Arabs. Can someone tell me of another race, YES RACE who enjoys the benefit of laws against criticising them (worldwide apparently). I won't even say the fucking word, you already know. And half of you think it's just fine. You think it's OK that the "German" government can subpoena CM and get my IPs and trace me back to me home in Ohio and come in the middle of the night and whisk me off to Germany for a mock trial where any lawyer who defends me is also in danger of pers, oops prosecution. Don't forget the law is always fair and just. And this is not so bad, the "Germans" just want to police the whole world just like we do. Our government works tirelessly to this end, of course with unanimous popular support. I deserve to be executed on sight. T

luckydawg -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 3:23:01 AM)
basically yeah term. whiny neo nazis should be shot on sight.

pahunkboy -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 3:31:39 AM)
We are the new Germany. We even took their space program Op paperclip.

kittinSol -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 6:11:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And I doubt the German government is even German with that attitude. Who they are is anyone's guess, but I don't think they are Arabs. Can someone tell me of another race, YES RACE who enjoys the benefit of laws against criticising them (worldwide apparently). I won't even say the fucking word, you already know. Shalom. Even pigs like you need peace.

Termyn8or -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 6:16:08 AM)
OK, name one other specifically protected "group" then. T

LadyEllen -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 6:44:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cadenas German courts claim jurisdiction over holocaust denial regardless of citizenship or where it was said. They base that on the claim that in today's age of mass media, even something published in Australia could conceivably be read by a German. Two years ago, they asked Britain to arrest and extradite an Australian on the way from the USA to Dubai, for things he published in Australia (Britain refused). quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen According to what I understand T, the idiot gave an interview to the Swedish TV channel in Regensburg, Germany. It was then broadcast in Sweden but the nature of the comments attracted attention to him. The court had jurisdiction as it would appear, because he said what he said in Germany. E I find that difficult to understand. It appears to make no sense - otherwise I should be extradited for things I have said here and elsewhere in public fora, including on this thread perhaps, that may be interpreted as "holocaust denial". Indeed if it were the case then we must account for the continued liberty of thousands of Brits who, as long time members of far right political movements, have committed an offence and continue to do so in this regard, not to mention many more thousands across many other European countries who have done and continue to do likewise. There is EU competence to arrest, indict and try in the EU for war crimes anywhere in the world, but it cannot be that one state (ie Germany) may try citizens of other countries for words or deeds that were not an offence in the jurisdiction they were said or performed in; this would make a nonsense of jurisdiction. There have been apparent exceptions; the notorious case of the autistic Brit who hacked the Pentagon computer systems for instance - but in that case the crime may be readily deemed to have been committed in the US for that is where the actus reus occurred even if the mens rea occurred in the UK. The reason the judge in the bishop's case reduced the fine was that she accepted that the bishop did not intend for his comments to be broadcast in Germany (though he perhaps ought to have realised they might be), but she should not have tried the case at all according to competent jurisdiction, if the comments had not been made within German jurisdiction. Do you have any links to support your assertion? I speak German so its not a problem if they are in German. E

Politesub53 -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 11:30:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or OK, name one other specifically protected "group" then. T I thought you knew all about Germanys laws Termy ? Far from protecting any one group they specifically protect groups based on race, ethnicity, and gender. Your assertion that they only protect Jewish people comes across as racist. The German constitution, and lets get it right, you are on about protecting the constitution, states peoples human dignity is constitutionally protected. Nothing wrong with that is there ?

LadyEllen -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 11:52:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rfd1 Stolz was defending Zundel in court when she was arrested in the courtroom for Holocaust Denial as she addressed the court on behalf of her client. This really does sound a dreadful outcome - a lawyer being arrested for her defence of a client in a serious case wherein she might of course have had to refer to the charges and their nature, but then its usually the case with certain people that we get less than half a story, framed in such a way that any reasonable person might reach the desired conclusion. The actual reasons Stolz was disbarred and sent to prison were very simple - she totally breached the professional privilege she should enjoy as part and parcel of her duties as a defence lawyer, and quite knowingly and intentionally (rather than recklessly), broke the law herself, not simply by referencing her client's comments but knowingly and intentionally innovating upon them in a blatant display of her well documented national socialist sympathies. Oh yes dear reader, it was no accident or cab rank principle that put her defending Zundl - she was and had been up to her neck in the denial of genocide and rehabilitation of naziism for years. What she did in the courtroom was no horrific abuse of civil rights but a stage managed display designed to attract attention and sympathy for her cause. The sentence, and the professional sanction against her, are truly merciful in my view. E

Real0ne -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:11:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen quote: ORIGINAL: rfd1 Stolz was defending Zundel in court when she was arrested in the courtroom for Holocaust Denial as she addressed the court on behalf of her client. This really does sound a dreadful outcome - a lawyer being arrested for her defence of a client in a serious case wherein she might of course have had to refer to the charges and their nature, but then its usually the case with certain people that we get less than half a story, framed in such a way that any reasonable person might reach the desired conclusion. The actual reasons Stolz was disbarred and sent to prison were very simple - she totally breached the professional privilege she should enjoy as part and parcel of her duties as a defence lawyer, and quite knowingly and intentionally (rather than recklessly), broke the law herself, not simply by referencing her client's comments but knowingly and intentionally innovating upon them in a blatant display of her well documented national socialist sympathies. Oh yes dear reader, it was no accident or cab rank principle that put her defending Zundl - she was and had been up to her neck in the denial of genocide and rehabilitation of naziism for years. What she did in the courtroom was no horrific abuse of civil rights but a stage managed display designed to attract attention and sympathy for her cause. The sentence, and the professional sanction against her, are truly merciful in my view. E thats what a court is is a stage. genocide has never been evidenced, in fact the us army criminal medical corp said there was no genocide. but lets just slaughter the truth

pahunkboy -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:13:56 PM)
He who says nothing is complicate in this bloody slaughter of the Arabs.

kittinSol -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:25:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Your assertion that they only protect Jewish people comes across as racist. That's what he is. Termyn8or is a self-confessed racist and antisemite. It's all in the archives [>:] .

pahunkboy -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Your assertion that they only protect Jewish people comes across as racist. That's what he is. Termyn8or is a self-confessed racist and antisemite. It's all in the archives [>:] . Surely a step up from tin foil hatters. lol

kittinSol -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:30:33 PM)
Oh yeah, antisemitism: such a lovely way to be [8\|] .

kiwisub12 -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:31:21 PM)
As far as i can tell, this entire thread is a couple of loons , with delusions of historical accuracy arguing against apparently normal indivuduals - who should know better! You can't MAKE someone believe if they don't want to. Especially if they have a vested interest in not believing. All arguing does is give importance to what they are blethering about.

pahunkboy -> RE: German court fines British bishop for Holocaust denial (4/18/2010 1:31:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Oh yeah, antisemitism: such a lovely way to be [8\|] . So pumpkin. Has your kin killed any Arabs today in Iraq?

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