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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 10:46:27 AM   
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Oklahoma City does not exist. It never has. It was filmed on a lunar soundstage by holocaust survivors working for the New World Order by order of the bankers.


Holocaust survivors? Well I guess one might refer to them as survivors for they managed to live through one of the greatest parties ever held....Party on Sol!!!...Party on Ira!!! Excellent and mozel tov!!!!


Domi does parties.  SO he knows all about it.

He comes dresses a a vallet dude- then messes with all the fancy cars.   using them for pussy pick up pimp mobiles.
and

So far he has saved $26 by switching to GIEGO.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 10:48:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course they have different implications, simply based on where in the US the attacks were shows implications would be different (Oklahoma City vs. New York City). I'm simply trying to understand the basics of what this is.

I realize with anything I could study it for years and not understand absolutely everything about it, hence why scientists and professors and others can become experts in their respective fields and know hundreds of times more information about a subject than the average person or than even one of their colleagues. (IE. a brain surgeon doesn't have the same knowledge or skill set as a cardiologist) All I am looking for is a general idea of what this is about, not a master's thesis in it.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 10:50:29 AM   
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I didn't say I wanted to quote anyone I just wanted to know what the story is! I don't care to attempt to refute or agree with any of the claims I'm just curious to know what they are without spending an hour and a half listening to interviews. Mostly because I'm a much more visual person and I need to read words to understand.

I've googled it and basically all I can come up with is conspiracy theory that there were bombs planted in the building much the same as the theories go for the 9/11 attacks and that McVeigh couldn't have acted alone.

Took me maybe 5minutes to figure that out from google, if thats incorrect then please correct me.


the government did it.
they kill anyone who can prove it
they threaten anyone who gets to close
they stack the courts
they violate all the laws and get away with it in the courts
they bury the evidence
they classify everything you need to prove they did as secret
they block all means of proving it in a court
they have the propaganda mill blame the wrong people to misdirect you OR plant patsies that play an insignificant role and put it all on the patsy.
They use constant misdirection.
tims trial was a complete violation of due process.

I mean the list simply goes on and fucking on.

Now I have no idea what you can possibly get from my description because it tells you nothing of the details and evidence that support all these conclusions so there is no possible that you can walk away with any kind of real education by my explanation and I am certainly not going to write a book that would ultimately take me months and you several hours to read to fully understand how one can justify those conclusions.. 


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 10:53:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		McVeigh IS the patsy.

I know he was mad- he also was chipped, he told me.


Chick- there is no end to the games of empire.  "Distraction" is its biggest tool.




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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 10:56:23 AM   
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Of course they have different implications, simply based on where in the US the attacks were shows implications would be different (Oklahoma City vs. New York City). I'm simply trying to understand the basics of what this is.

I realize with anything I could study it for years and not understand absolutely everything about it, hence why scientists and professors and others can become experts in their respective fields and know hundreds of times more information about a subject than the average person or than even one of their colleagues. (IE. a brain surgeon doesn't have the same knowledge or skill set as a cardiologist) All I am looking for is a general idea of what this is about, not a master's thesis in it.


Keep in mind WTC was bombed in 1993.   Same game.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:01:19 AM   
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Of course they have different implications, simply based on where in the US the attacks were shows implications would be different (Oklahoma City vs. New York City). I'm simply trying to understand the basics of what this is.

I realize with anything I could study it for years and not understand absolutely everything about it, hence why scientists and professors and others can become experts in their respective fields and know hundreds of times more information about a subject than the average person or than even one of their colleagues. (IE. a brain surgeon doesn't have the same knowledge or skill set as a cardiologist) All I am looking for is a general idea of what this is about, not a master's thesis in it.


when you have a government that consists of rogue thugs as we have, the same scary stuff they used to warn us about that was taking place in russia in the 50's is taking place here in the states the picture becomes crystal clear.

It is ALWAYS he same story the same agenda.

MONEY AND POWER

WTC was taken down for many reasons.   As disgusting as it is I have to admit the whole plan was brilliant in a really sick way.

All the insider trading, the enron investigation, mci investigation material was kept in none other than the world trade center.  Now that was only part of the reason for the demo.

Now the part of the pentagon that they wasted just happened to be where those  pesky auditors were working on that miniscule pesky 2.3 trillion unaccounted for dollars that the military cant account for.

Oklahoma?  well thats where all the files on waco were kept.  the operations were conducted out of that division.

You see its a very small world and it always concerns itself with 2 and only 2 things.

Money and power and the ability to retain it in the hands of the few.


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:02:09 AM   
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Now I have no idea what you can possibly get from my description because it tells you nothing of the details and evidence that support all these conclusions


EXACTLY! So where is the evidence for these things? Surely to goodness you can't expect me to believe than an hour and a half long interview is absolutely all there is on the subject and proves entirely that the theory is correct? I'm not asking for a book I just wanted an understanding of what the issue is. If you can't even generally explain your point to someone who is curious and wants to learn then how do you ever expect to convince someone that you're right who is adamantly against what you're saying?

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:04:50 AM   
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Now I have no idea what you can possibly get from my description because it tells you nothing of the details and evidence that support all these conclusions


EXACTLY! So where is the evidence for these things? Surely to goodness you can't expect me to believe than an hour and a half long interview is absolutely all there is on the subject and proves entirely that the theory is correct? I'm not asking for a book I just wanted an understanding of what the issue is. If you can't even generally explain your point to someone who is curious and wants to learn then how do you ever expect to convince someone that you're right who is adamantly against what you're saying?


Chick - ask questions and dig.

If more do this-- we come out in a good way.

None of us know everything.  It is encouraging that you do probe.  This is how one starts off. Later more pieces come together as so much of it is interlocked.

RO is right- follow the money.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:05:38 AM   
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I've googled it and basically all I can come up with is conspiracy theory that there were bombs planted in the building much the same as the theories go for the 9/11 attacks and that McVeigh couldn't have acted alone.


and when I give you the people who were there you do not have time to listen to them.  Maybe you want it to be a "theory".  Many people I find need that avenue to avoid the realities until its one of their loved ones the thugs waste or put in jail just to shut them up.


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:06:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		They never did find that 2.3 trillion $.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:11:06 AM   
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Chick - ask questions and dig.

If more do this-- we come out in a good way.




We would find nothing but the Chinese.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:13:32 AM   
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Now I have no idea what you can possibly get from my description because it tells you nothing of the details and evidence that support all these conclusions


EXACTLY! So where is the evidence for these things? Surely to goodness you can't expect me to believe than an hour and a half long interview is absolutely all there is on the subject and proves entirely that the theory is correct? I'm not asking for a book I just wanted an understanding of what the issue is. If you can't even generally explain your point to someone who is curious and wants to learn then how do you ever expect to convince someone that you're right who is adamantly against what you're saying?


are you just talking for the sake of making an argument?  It would seem so since you ask for the evidence and again do not have time to listen to the people who can give it to you.  Why do you think oklahoma is the leader in the growing understand for the need of militias?

They simply got fucked and they know it.  They "LIVED" through it.

Again you burn that candle from both ends.  You cant ask me to explain it generally and give you all the evidence in the same sentence and expect me to consider it a serious request.

You may as well try to learn nuclear physics without cracking a book, it will get you as far.

I dont know what more you can ask for them the people who were there and those on the grand jury who were blocked from doing any investigation just like 911 I might add.

What you ask cannot be done.  Either you want to know the evidence and are willing to take the time to listen to the evidence or you want to skip the evidence and accept its only a  theory.


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:13:47 AM   
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Chick - ask questions and dig.



I am asking questions and I'm getting no where! I guess where I am at is that I don't even know where to start on this since I'd never really heard much about it until I saw the name of the posting. (I'm Canadian and while we hear about things that happen in the USA we have our own political issues to follow too) I think perhaps what I'm looking for but not articulating properly is that I need a starting point beyond an interview. A background to what the current theory is so that I can understand the interview in a better context.


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and when I give you the people who were there you do not have time to listen to them. Maybe you want it to be a "theory". Many people I find need that avenue to avoid the realities until its one of their loved ones the thugs waste or put in jail just to shut them up.



Like I'm saying above, I can't understand what the interviews are even about if I don't have context. Anything can be explained generally and then it is up to the reader to be interested to learn more. I don't have to be interested in this topic, the title interests me but having a general idea of what the issue is will give me an understanding of whether its something I'd like to pursue learning about or not. Telling me simply that I have to do hours of listening to find out really does nothing to encourage me to learn more. You will present a stronger argument if you can provide an interesting summary. Of course an interesting summary will leave salient information out, this is what makes the reader want to learn more.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:16:42 AM   
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They never did find that 2.3 trillion $.



who thought about?  Rummy announced it noneother than on sept 10th.

I cant imagine why anyone would be distracted away from such high crimes.

just little things like the shock of watching the wtc demolitions with people in them, the lies about wmds, going for iraq which had nothing to do with it, then on to the leftee rightee bickering of all the fools who cant see the forest because the fucking trees are in the way.  LOL


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:19:06 AM   
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Again you burn that candle from both ends.  You cant ask me to explain it generally and give you all the evidence in the same sentence and expect me to consider it a serious request.

What you ask cannot be done.  Either you want to know the evidence and are willing to take the time to listen to the evidence or you want to skip the evidence and accept its only a  theory.



And you burn the candle from neither end.. you neither provide clear evidence to support your arguement nor a general explanation of your issue. And I get that you have an issue with my usage of the word theory, perhaps I need to explain that better. To me everything is theoretical until clear evidence is provided in order to prove the situation. To give you a better explanation, I had always thought that Mr. McVeigh was entirely responsible, hence a clearly proven situation. Now you're giving me a reason to question that situation as proven and my response is okay there are two conflicting theories about what happened then, 1) the original theory 2) the new theory with the intentional demolition of the building. So not that either one is correct but that there may be evidence to support both claims. Generally I find the truth will lie somewhere between the most extreme views.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:20:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		The grid- and the games- they done this hundreds of years.  Thru out history.

1. they always return for a 2nd robbery.
2. their scams are not very creative- they are recycled tried and true.

Empire.

Money. 

They even enjoy conning us.  They figure we are dumb animals.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:23:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		No.  McVeigh was not entirely responsible.  He as good as asked me to help him. So if he did this to me he did it to many- up to and including -- the govt shill.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:24:56 AM   
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Chick - ask questions and dig.



I am asking questions and I'm getting no where! I guess where I am at is that I don't even know where to start on this since I'd never really heard much about it until I saw the name of the posting. (I'm Canadian and while we hear about things that happen in the USA we have our own political issues to follow too) I think perhaps what I'm looking for but not articulating properly is that I need a starting point beyond an interview. A background to what the current theory is so that I can understand the interview in a better context.


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and when I give you the people who were there you do not have time to listen to them. Maybe you want it to be a "theory". Many people I find need that avenue to avoid the realities until its one of their loved ones the thugs waste or put in jail just to shut them up.



Like I'm saying above, I can't understand what the interviews are even about if I don't have context. Anything can be explained generally and then it is up to the reader to be interested to learn more. I don't have to be interested in this topic, the title interests me but having a general idea of what the issue is will give me an understanding of whether its something I'd like to pursue learning about or not. Telling me simply that I have to do hours of listening to find out really does nothing to encourage me to learn more. You will present a stronger argument if you can provide an interesting summary. Of course an interesting summary will leave salient information out, this is what makes the reader want to learn more.



tim mcveigh is accused of filling a truck up with nitrates and fuel oil, otherwise known as a fertilizer bomb and blowing up the murrah building in oklahoma killing 170 people in the process..

People here are terrified to talk because of fear of retribution from the thug government.

We know the building was blow from the inside out.
We know 2 bombs were on the inside that did not go off that tim could not have planted.
one fertilizer truck does not make 2 explosions.

and it was reported on the news.

the whole thing is such an obvious fraud its sickening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk







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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:25:24 AM   
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The grid- and the games- they done this hundreds of years.  Thru out history.

1. they always return for a 2nd robbery.
2. their scams are not very creative- they are recycled tried and true.

Empire.

Money. 

They even enjoy conning us.  They figure we are dumb animals.


Now, see, this I agree with--it's just not news, and it just doesn't support the bizarre conspiracies you guys invent.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:28:02 AM   
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And in that- govts always mess up. ALWAYS.

So- there ya go.

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