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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:33:00 AM   
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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:38:13 AM   
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Again you burn that candle from both ends.  You cant ask me to explain it generally and give you all the evidence in the same sentence and expect me to consider it a serious request.

What you ask cannot be done.  Either you want to know the evidence and are willing to take the time to listen to the evidence or you want to skip the evidence and accept its only a  theory.



And you burn the candle from neither end.. you neither provide clear evidence to support your arguement nor a general explanation of your issue. And I get that you have an issue with my usage of the word theory, perhaps I need to explain that better. To me everything is theoretical until clear evidence is provided in order to prove the situation. To give you a better explanation, I had always thought that Mr. McVeigh was entirely responsible, hence a clearly proven situation. Now you're giving me a reason to question that situation as proven and my response is okay there are two conflicting theories about what happened then, 1) the original theory 2) the new theory with the intentional demolition of the building. So not that either one is correct but that there may be evidence to support both claims. Generally I find the truth will lie somewhere between the most extreme views.


well if you really want to know your choice is to review the evidence because scotty cant beem it into your brain.  People who do not want to live their lives in theory do research.

I have just posted 2 news reels that show the part of the story you never hear because its the local news stations that play it and it never makes national.

Dont want anyone to be well informed after all.

The bottom line is that first post I made in the OP once again has grand jury members and people whos lives have been threatened as a result of the thugs that took over our government and have the whole country living in fear to speak out against them.

There are at least 150 people that died protecting the clintons thuggery, not to mention dubya and company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5v8v4P1-Qc&feature=related


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:40:21 AM   
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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:41:28 AM   
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6000 years of history.

And in that- govts always mess up. ALWAYS.

So- there ya go.



they are sloppy because they can be!  Hell they take all the tapes like at the pentagon 911 and say sorry you cant have them.

they have no authority to do that under the constitution if this country were actually being run under the constitution any longer but its not.

They found much more creative ways to keep the slaves at bay because that damn constitution simply gave the people far to much power.

Sovereign?  People?  Unthinkable!

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:43:15 AM   
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And people who do actual research can relate cogent arguments based on it.


yes and unfortunately that is why most people hit that brick wall and bail right about when I am getting warmed up.


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:44:19 AM   
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6000 years of history.

And in that- govts always mess up. ALWAYS.

So- there ya go.



they are sloppy because they can be!  Hell they take all the tapes like at the pentagon 911 and say sorry you cant have them.

they have no authority to do that under the constitution if this country were actually being run under the constitution any longer but its not.

They found much more creative ways to keep the slaves at bay because that damn constitution simply gave the people far to much power.

Sovereign?  People?  Unthinkable!



We had better not mention the work camps.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:47:19 AM   
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And people who do actual research can relate cogent arguments based on it.


yes and unfortunately that is why most people hit that brick wall and bail right about when I am getting warmed up.



Key word.   Agenda 21

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:47:38 AM   
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rex 84?  sure, somewhere in my collection I have the paper authorizing it by some congressman whom I forgot because its been so long.  Done like a side deal outside the course of oversite.

how big is that crap now?  20 million I heard last time I checked?


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:48:12 AM   
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And people who do actual research can relate cogent arguments based on it.


yes and unfortunately that is why most people hit that brick wall and bail right about when I am getting warmed up.



Exactly what they say.

Just not why you think.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:52:33 AM   
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rex 84?  sure, somewhere in my collection I have the paper authorizing it by some congressman whom I forgot because its been so long.  Done like a side deal outside the course of oversite.

how big is that crap now?  20 million I heard last time I checked?



I am guessing on this, but I think 40 million is a better  number.   there are 6 super camps.

they will flavor is something catchy- people will beg to get in.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 11:57:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And people who do actual research can relate cogent arguments based on it.


yes and unfortunately that is why most people hit that brick wall and bail right about when I am getting warmed up.



Exactly what they say.

Just not why you think.


I discount syntax terrorists


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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 1:10:51 PM   
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the government did it.
they kill anyone who can prove it
they threaten anyone who gets to close


Right.

So how then are you (and a few others) here, running your mouths and getting away with it?

I smell a rat - a government agent here to find any poor sap who shows interest so they can be carted off to some camp on a tip off from you.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 1:14:13 PM   
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the government did it.
they kill anyone who can prove it
they threaten anyone who gets to close


Right.

So how then are you (and a few others) here, running your mouths and getting away with it?

I smell a rat - a government agent here to find any poor sap who shows interest so they can be carted off to some camp on a tip off from you.

E


This post approved by Homeland Security.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 1:47:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the government did it.
they kill anyone who can prove it
they threaten anyone who gets to close


Right.

So how then are you (and a few others) here, running your mouths and getting away with it?

I smell a rat - a government agent here to find any poor sap who shows interest so they can be carted off to some camp on a tip off from you.

E


I wasnt party to the crime.

Take Jennings for example.  He opended his mouth about 911 and he had the credentials to say what he said and he is dead, immediately after he died within 3 fucking days out comes the wtc7 white wash report.




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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 1:51:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are other possibilities to account for your continuing liberty though of course - that

a) the government didnt do it, or
b) you cant prove they did, or
c) youre nowhere near close to making any sense, let alone proving it

E

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 1:54:49 PM   
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There are other possibilities to account for your continuing liberty though of course - that

a) the government didnt do it, or
b) you cant prove they did, or
c) youre nowhere near close to making any sense, let alone proving it

E


can you  say WMDs?

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 1:59:25 PM   
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There are other possibilities to account for your continuing liberty though of course - that

a) the government didnt do it, or
b) you cant prove they did, or
c) youre nowhere near close to making any sense, let alone proving it

E



well you forgot several possibilities.

I mean hell as long as you wish to get imaginative why not include aliens and gremlins?

LE you really need to listen to the OP Rule of law radio interview and do a bit of research.  This is not an academic parlor style banterfest.  There is real evidence all over with people who to this day were destroyed by the thugs in control with no recourse through the courts because they are blocked by the government.






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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 2:01:07 PM   
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She is  dancing with aliens and gremlins

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 2:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		RO - you make no sense.

You maintain that the whole system is built in order to keep these matters out of widespread public conscience. This means not only all government agencies, but the press and other media, publishers et al. All in on the conspiracy or else repressed under it.

You then maintain that somehow you and those of like mind shall prevail in bringing down this system, when as you yourself have indicated, the system crushes all those who oppose it.

You look to make very serious accusations of criminal behaviour, or at least appear to, but then you are unable to provide adequate evidence to back them up and appear to seek to account for this by maintaining that the courts being part of the conspiracy there should be no point in providing it, not to mention that the system should crush anyone who did.

And then you appear to hold that all this taken to be true, you and others acting in concert shall bring down the system by recourse to arms. Now this should not be a problem for me, if any of the accusations and allegations you make were true - I'd even join you perhaps - but given the utter absence of any support for your case what you are talking about is the armed overthrow of an apparently lawful government alongside its necessarily accompanying acts.

The only reason you are able to continue to spout all this nonsense is that if you and your co-conspirators and accomplices were to be arrested for sedition or sued for defamation then it should only play into the confirmation in your minds of the wild conspiracies you promote.

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RE: Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, The Truth, The Coverup. - 4/17/2010 2:23:29 PM   
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If you know me you know I don't fall for conspiracy theories, but I know conspiracies do exist. They are much harder to detect when the plot is a success, I can tell you that from personal experience.

But on the matter at hand.

When you have an object as tall and thin as a building that is rightly called a skyscraper, and you fly a heavy object into the side of it, by the laws of physics it falls over, not down upon itself like a controlled demolition. If a demolition company had been called to do the job, they would have been proud of the results as there was very little collateral damage outside of a very small sphere around the building(s).

With that FACT I conclude that they are not telling us everything. That's all I can really prove at the moment. But in court, if one is convicted of perjury all their testimony is in question, and the oath says "THE WHOLE TRUTH".

I also know as FACT that a lie of omission is best because it is so hard to refute, or even detect. I have been "in the life" and have used the tactic more than once. It works like a charm I tell ya. The art of keeping one's mouth shut at the right times is invaluable. In life, boatloads of people have been hushed up (USS Liberty) and cellblocks full of inmates have agreed to shut the fuck up when the screws came to find a corpse. And I have yet to hear of anyone in the military getting busted for having a blanket party. That's when four guys grab your blanket as you sleep thus restraining you and the rest of them beat you with bars of soap in their socks. Even non-participants keep their mouth shut.

So to assume that those skills are better honed by foot soldiers, navy grunts and prisoners than by our "leaders" who have alot more to gain is not quite logical. In fact looking at the results those with alot more to gain have gained alot more.

I am not sure if I have made sense to you but at least I tried. You seem like you are keeping an open mind, so I thought it was worth a shot. Some people here are too ignorant for me to waste my time.

T

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