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jlf1961 -> The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:00:17 PM)

Shortly after terrorist attacks destroyed the World Trade Center and mangled the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, conspiracy theories blossomed about secret and malevolent government plots behind the tragic events. A report scheduled to appear in an upcoming Applied Cognitive Psychology offers a preliminary psychological profile of people who believe in 9/11 conspiracies.

A team led by psychologist Viren Swami of the University of Westminster in London identified several traits associated with subscribing to 9/11 conspiracies, at least among British citizens. These characteristics consist of backing one or more conspiracy theories unrelated to 9/11, frequently talking about 9/11 conspiracy beliefs with likeminded friends and others, taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, feeling generally suspicious toward others and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook.

“Often, the proof offered as evidence for a conspiracy is not specific to one incident or issue, but is used to justify a general pattern of conspiracy ideas,” Swami says.

His conclusion echoes a 1994 proposal by sociologist Ted Goertzel of Rutgers–Camden in New Jersey. After conducting random telephone interviews of 347 New Jersey residents, Goertzel proposed that each of a person’s convictions about secret plots serves as evidence for other conspiracy beliefs, bypassing any need for confirming evidence.

A belief that the government is covering up its involvement in the 9/11 attacks thus feeds the idea that the government is also hiding evidence of extraterrestrial contacts or that John F. Kennedy was not killed by a lone gunman.

Goertzel says the new study provides an intriguing but partial look at the inner workings of conspiracy thinking. Such convictions critically depend on what he calls “selective skepticism.” Conspiracy believers are highly doubtful about information from the government or other sources they consider suspect. But, without criticism, believers accept any source that supports their preconceived views, he says.

“Arguments advanced by conspiracy theorists tell you more about the believer than about the event,” Goertzel says.

Swami’s finding that 9/11 conspiracy believers frequently spoke with likeminded individuals supports the notion that “conspiracy thinkers constitute a community of believers,” remarks historian Robert Goldberg of the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. Goldberg has studied various conspiracy theories in the United States.

Conspiracy thinkers share an optimistic conviction that they can find “the truth,” spread it to the masses and foster social change, Goldberg asserts.

Over the past 50 years, researchers and observers of social dynamics have traced beliefs in conspiracy theories to feelings of powerlessness, attempts to bolster self-esteem and diminished faith in government. Some conspiracy beliefs — such as the widespread conviction among blacks that the U.S. government concocted HIV/AIDS as a genocidal plot — gain strength from actual events, such as the once-secret Tuskegee experiments in which black men with syphilis were denied treatment.

Swami and his colleagues administered a battery of questionnaires to 257 British adults, including a condensed version of a standard personality test. Participants came from a variety of ethnic, religious and social backgrounds representative of the British population.

Most participants expressed either no support or weak support for 16 conspiracy beliefs about 9/11. These beliefs included: “The World Trade Center towers were brought down by a controlled demolition” and, “Individuals within the U.S. government knew of the impending attacks and purposely failed to act on that knowledge.”

Much as Swami’s team suspected, beliefs in 9/11 conspiracy theories were stronger among individuals whose personalities combined suspicion and antagonism toward others with intellectual curiosity and an active imagination.

A related, unpublished survey of more than 1,000 British adults found that 9/11 conspiracy believers not only often subscribed to a variety of well-known conspiracy theories, but also frequently agreed with an invented conspiracy. Christopher French of Goldsmiths, University of London, and Patrick Leman of Royal Holloway, University of London, both psychologists, asked volunteers about eight common conspiracy theories and one that researchers made up: “The government is using mobile phone technology to track everyone all the time.”

The study, still unpublished, shows that conspiracy believers displayed a greater propensity than nonbelievers to jump to conclusions based on limited evidence.

“It seems likely that conspiratorial beliefs serve a similar psychological function to superstitious, paranormal and, more controversially, religious beliefs, as they help some people to gain a sense of control over an unpredictable world,” French says.

Swami now plans to investigate attitudes of British volunteers to conspiracy theories about the July 7, 2005, terrorist bombings in London.




Termyn8or -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:10:40 PM)

 “Individuals within the U.S. government knew of the impending attacks and purposely failed to act on that knowledge.”

OK, let's drop that. Say they didn't know. Say they had nothing to do with it.

What is the defense budget ? I don't care whether the reason was complicity or incompetence. I want know why they can secure bumfuckt Egypt but not our own borders. Maybe they didn't sit inb a limo in the parking lot and plan the whole thing. Maybe they were out there burning a fattie. I either case they were not working for us as we paid them handsomely.

The rest will come, I have an errand to run. Don't worry I only got thirty warrants, no license and therefore can't get insurance. And there's only ten speed traps on the way. Everything they say is true and the rest are full of shit. Nobody in government ever talks to each other, they just go do their jobs to the best of their ability, for us.

Oh, and the TV will tell you, DO NOT DRIVE WITHOUT INSURANCE. You will get caught. I'll be back.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:12:03 PM)

7 was imploded.




pahunkboy -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:29:55 PM)

And isn't it interesting that of the 5 flags on this CM board- not one of them is a US flag?






rulemylife -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:33:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

7 was imploded.


Case in point.




LadyEllen -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:35:40 PM)

That analysis corresponds well to my personal observations jlf.

I've tried to see the theorists we have here as having "intellectual curiosity and an active imagination", taking a sympathetic approach on that basis and engaging with them to find out more and weigh up their claims in a spirit of generosity, not to mention intellectual curiosity and imagination on my part.

But just lately I'm afraid, my sympathy and patience is wearing ever more thin. I am reaching the point of exasperation with the ridiculous claims they advance, the bunkum evidence they present - if that is, they present any - and the erroneous conclusions to which they leap, time after time.

Having been here a few years now I can say that the subject matter prevalent on these off topic boards of late is dominated by conspiracy theories, endlessly rehashed, in a way they never were at any other period of my participation here. To such an extent that given the exasperation they provoke in me, its becoming less and less attractive to even log on except for the entertainment value of poking certain participants with a stick and watching others do likewise.

I understand of course that Mods permitting, participants can post what they like and its my choice whether I read it and get involved, but surely there is a limit to the intellectual curiosity and active imaginations of conspiracy theorists?

E




rulemylife -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:37:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

And isn't it interesting that of the 5 flags on this CM board- not one of them is a US flag?





Are you really this ignorant?

The flags change the language.






TheHeretic -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:40:12 PM)

I really don't care much what creates conspiracy theorists. In the coal mine of free speech, they make excellent canaries. I like having a few around.





pahunkboy -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:41:42 PM)

Why would I click on a foreign flag?




SaintIntensity -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:46:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why would I click on a foreign flag?


and in other news, the densest material in the universe has been identified...

PAHunkium

tell me he isnt THIS fucking dense - seriously????




Real0ne -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:56:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Shortly after terrorist attacks destroyed the World Trade Center and mangled the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, conspiracy theories blossomed



yeh bushco said 19 hijackoffs with sand in their pants conspired against freedom and has yet to remotely prove the case.

fucking loonatic




pahunkboy -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:57:22 PM)

he cant come to the phone.


He is busy bowing before the Crown.




Real0ne -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:57:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I really don't care much what creates conspiracy theorists. In the coal mine of free speech, they make excellent canaries. I like having a few around.




yeh I cant agree more!

Its fun watching these people squirm trying to support all those omissions.  and hiding the evidence.




Dubbelganger -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 4:59:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SaintIntensity


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why would I click on a foreign flag?


and in other news, the densest material in the universe has been identified...

PAHunkium

tell me he isnt THIS fucking dense - seriously????
Amazing, innit?




pahunkboy -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 5:00:35 PM)

Yeah- well some of us= wont commit treason.


Those flags are not mine.




jlf1961 -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 5:07:56 PM)

Worse than that, none of them are the Texas flag




LadyEllen -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 5:13:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Yeah- well some of us= wont commit treason.


Those flags are not mine.



Again this makes no sense. You appear to believe that "the grid" makes the laws and so you can be made to commit treason according to their determination of what treason is - although at the same time you hold that their laws are unlawful.

In any event youre already committing sedition and insurrection against your acknowledged sovereign Queen Elizabeth II by proposing that the US president ought not show fealty to her by bowing in yet another amazing twist of logic by which she isnt your acknowledged sovereign Queen.

Make your mind up what your claims are?

E




rulemylife -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 5:15:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why would I click on a foreign flag?


To save yourself from making foolish comments when you don't know what you are talking about, which seems to happen frequently.




pahunkboy -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 5:17:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Yeah- well some of us= wont commit treason.


Those flags are not mine.



Again this makes no sense. You appear to believe that "the grid" makes the laws and so you can be made to commit treason according to their determination of what treason is - although at the same time you hold that their laws are unlawful.

In any event youre already committing sedition and insurrection against your acknowledged sovereign Queen Elizabeth II by proposing that the US president ought not show fealty to her by bowing in yet another amazing twist of logic by which she isnt your acknowledged sovereign Queen.

Make your mind up what your claims are?

E


Which brings us to the difference between a citizen of PA vs citizen of the USA.






jlf1961 -> RE: The inner worlds of conspiracy believers (4/17/2010 5:19:24 PM)

Obviously, all conspiracy theories require that there be a “villain,” a group of “them,” who is responsible for a conspiracy which is invariably targeted at “us.” Beyond this requirement, “generic” conspiracy theories are usually “tailored” to specific conditions.

For our purposes, we can consider conspiracy theories to fall into one of three general categories: obstructive, oppressive, and deceptive.

An obstructive conspiracy theory proposes the existence of a conspiracy whose purpose is to prevent, or at least impede, some event from occurring. An example would be a supposed conspiracy involving “big oil” and the automotive industry to prevent the introduction of an automobile engine that could run on water.

Oppressive conspiracies are unique in that they purport to explain perceived social inequalities or perceived political disenfranchisement. This class of theories is based on the previously mentioned “them” engaged in an active conspiracy against “us.”

A close relative of the oppressive theory is the deceptive conspiracy theory. Deceptive conspiracies are dedicated to presenting the illusion that the root cause of some social, economic, or political problem is something other than actual cause. The most notorious use of this tactic came in the early 1930s in Germany.

Germany was in social and economic chaos as a result of the repressive conditions set forth in the Treaty of Versailles which had essentially stripped Germany of its economic infrastructure. When the worldwide effects of the Great Depression were factored in, the desperate German people were willing to literally try anything. Adolph Hitler and the Nazi party, playing on the already widespread anti-Semitism of the era, blamed all of Germany’s problems on the Jews. It is not necessary to relate the tragic results of this particular conspiracy theory.




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