Termyn8or
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LE, Hunky may be nuts, but that is not the direct cause of this. When one is introduced to Constitutional law the allure is strong. They have good information and it seems to be backed up in law. They do research things, but the problem is even though they may actually be factually correct the conclusions drawn and methods derived are not all that sound.
You must understand the allure, the feeling of being special, the supposed ability to tell the gov to go fuck off. It is very enticing and I know that, I was in it. What wound up happening is after separating the chaff, about 10% of it actually holds water. Some of the people at those meeting have read and comprehend (at least somewhat) the entire UCC or the entire trading with the enemy act and so forth. Remember the power of the word no, when you are in a meeting with these people collaberating, the one who says "No, you can't do that because...." is the one with the real brain in the room.
The path one takes when challenging statutory law is not an easy one. People make many mistakes. They had paperwork from one guy up in Michigan that they were touting as something good, but what it turned out to be was that he was fighting the child support system. Why ? Of course because he didn't want to pay to support his kids, I don't respect that. I can understand fighting taxes, fines and levies and all sorts of things.
Let's explore the kind of stupidity some of them exhibit. This is true and somewhat out of the topic but makes a decent exaple. Years ago I took the bus home from work. At one of the stops was a guy who apparently had no money. He was dressed in sort of militry garb and sported a tatooed swatika on his arm. He wanted to get on the bus for free. The bus driver was Black. Now what kind of sense does that make ?
Now when you go into court and start this type of shit, you are in just about the same situation as that puny neonazi punk. And I'll call him that without saying that about neonazis. Anyone I ever knew who embraced the Nazi philosophy was self sufficient and was not out there looking for handouts. I felt like smacking the kid, just because. I didn't, I just laughed to myself. Just how contradictory can one be ?
This illogical thinking happens on both sides of the bench. It is when you get someone who can really think that they worry about, because that type is the type to beat them at their own game. Such people are rare. Hunky is unlikely to get to the point where he can use these process', but Ken actually knows everything so since he doesn't know it it simply doesn't exist. What is worse, one who tries to learn and is misguided or one who refuses everything because it doesn't fit their model of the world and goes so far as to hurl insults around ?
In the final analysis, those who succeed in beating the system do pretty much what high powered, sharp and well paid lawyers do. Most of the time the reality is that all you're doing is saving a lawyer bill, but you do have the ability to do things a lawyer would not dare to do.
There is contingent of these people who after gaining a little bit of knowledge think they are going to go to court and just buy and sell the judge and get away with whatever they may be charged with because they are "free". That's the big lie, but of course as in advertising it is what sells.
Myself, first of all I lay low, I don't start shit. I have already gotten away with so much that if they locked me up for twenty years for spitting on the sidewalk we would be about even. There is another thing alot of people overlook. If you are armed with the best, the very best arsenal of legal information that is sound and true you present it to the court in writing, filed with the clerk of courts BEFORE the court date. Once you actually get there you need to get thee into either the prosecutor's office or judge's chambers. They are very reluctant to judge in your favor in open court, especially when there are others there facing the same charge and getting hit with fines and jail time. I mean no matter how strong your argument is, they do not want to be embarrassed in open court. That is where the true power lies. That is really all we have in these cases.
And don't even start if you created a victim. That means ANY victim. That means forget this when it comes to child support. You might make a bit of headway for driving without a license, but not if you got in an accident. You can do something, but if you have caused damage to another, the court will not be your friend, and simply isn't going to tell that person to go fuck off because you are free. I was all drunk and got into an accident back in 1982, the judges daughter had recently been killed by a drunk driver. I would've had to be nuts to try anything. So I got a VERY good lawyer and had the guy's vehicle half paid off by the time the court dat rolled around. Between the two I walked. I even find it hard to believe.
The zoning people, city inspectors and tax collectors are relatively easy, and the key word here is RELATIVELY. It is not easy by any even vaguely accurate description of the word. When you are facing jail time and big fines you better give it some serious thought. But some don't, they think "I am a free Man and can do as I please". This is simply not true. If you have created a victim, don't even try it. It will not work and all you will accomplish is to impede the efforts of those who really do go in there and fight unjust laws, laws against victimless crimes.
For example, you don't always have to go this route. If you are in trouble with the IRS you don't need any immunity for certain things, and many will voluntarily pay taxes. So be it. But sometimes you get jammed up and can't pay on time. Well walk into the office NOT a courtroom and simply offer them the base tax you owe. Speak of the "amendment" but do not refute it, just read it. It says TAX, not interest, not penalties. The government is (supposedly) not a bank and a field officer will settle for just the tax. Some people owe more in interest and penalties than actual tax. When you walk out of there with less money in your pocket you don't even get on the docket.
If you get a ticket for 35 in a 25 zone, at least in Ohio, subpoena the traffic survey that indicated that this zone was rightly lowered to a 25 according to Ohio law. Nine times out of ten they didn't do it and therefore can't produce it. Case dismissed. You don't have to cut your license into pieces and formally return it with your plates and replace them with a plate with some code from the UCC. You don't have to assert your right to travel under the big bad Constitution, it won't work anyway. Just ask for that survey. If the municipal court can't produce it they could be judged a speed trap by the state government which will cause big problems for them.
Some think that they can walk into court and no matter what the charge and just assert that they are free and walk out the door. It does not work that way. In fact if you pester the court with this stuff and aren't standing on terra firma, and victimless you are likely to find out just how much freedom you can lose. Always remember, contempt of court does not have a maximum sentence. You can sit in jail for longer doing that than you would just taking the damn conviction and moving on.
But people get into it like a mantra, and can only sing one note. That is the trap. There are also schills out there as well as people selling bogus information, taking advantage of those who have the desire to actually be free, not realizing that itr is impossible today.
Like I said I have discarded 90% of the information I gleaned from these people. It just doesn't work in many cases. Knowing when and where to have a battle is also important. Some will tell you to declare yourself free right in open court no matter what. You could be charged with arson, vehicular homocide or who knows what and they have the same answer as they have for a friggin speeding ticket. Ludicrous.
And even the truth, when it is in your favor, is misinterpreted many times. It's as if they think I can go kill someone and claim I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and it made me happy to see this asshole dead, so they have to just let you go. Believe it or not some do go that far.
All of you, don't be fooled. You can't just do whaever you want, even I can't and I am a master at getting away with shit. On top of what I could do law wise, I have good lawyers and I know how to be discreet. I don't want to tango with them, and when and if I have to I will weigh all my options carefully. Recently I and a few others have developed a new tactic, which I might reveal at a later time. Know why I don't mention it now ? I DON'T WANT EVERY ASSHOLE IN THE WORLD KNOWING IT. That's right, while I do care about people to some extent, I have to look out for number one.
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