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pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 3:42:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Is your name in all caps on your "title"?


Why?

Would that make it valid?




All caps is your STRAWMAN.  Not "you".



LadyEllen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 3:45:21 PM)

its like the Oracle at Delphi isnt it?

never a straight answer, but a smell of sulphurous discharges wafting through the air that aids in the interpretation of the cryptic responses

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pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 3:48:20 PM)

Yeah lady E.

You own no property.  NONE.



jlf1961 -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 3:51:04 PM)

Funny thing, according to PA, I am leasing my property. Well, I dont pay the bank, have a clear Deed with no liens on it, and due to the fact it is listed as a homestead among other reasons, I dont have any county property tax.


The truth of the matter is that PA wants so badly to believe in someone he will believe the most inane and bizarre crap around.




pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 3:53:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Funny thing, according to PA, I am leasing my property. Well, I dont pay the bank, have a clear Deed with no liens on it, and due to the fact it is listed as a homestead among other reasons, I dont have any county property tax.


The truth of the matter is that PA wants so badly to believe in someone he will believe the most inane and bizarre crap around.




TX, and NV- are the 2 states where it IS possible you hold allodial title. NV is finished tho.   Not the entire state(s)- but portions of it MIGHT- be under allodial



Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 3:58:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
LE its not an argument, its not an assertion, its not a theory, its a claim of right.

If you believe that I do not have the authority to make my claim of right by all means put it up here because frankly I cant wait to see it!


I just did. So did JLF.

You do not have sovereignty. You can make any claim of right you like; if its contrary to US law then its null and void, however many times you make it. The extract from the ruling you are using is not applicable.

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You mean if I consent to be governed right?  LOL

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]


Like I said you all have your democracy and I have the original republic and no abount of of stomping feet will change that.





Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:04:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I feel you may be right - I live in hope of one day pinning him down but it isnt going to happen is it? He will change the subject, deflect from it, make some cryptic (probably nonsense) remark to "prove" his point or, just log out until the thread drops to page two and then return to start over.

Anyway I'm off to the bath (yes, its that time of year etc)

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now that was totally unfair and you know I dont use those tactics.

pick up any book the founders writings the constitutions et al and the sovereignty resides in the people.   Just cuz I am one of the people who figgered out how to use it and you cant have it but you know if you listen to menards talks you can get damn close.  He is out of canada and has done many talks about free man on the land which would apply directly to you too.

oh and I do have a life beyond the boards you know. :)





pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:08:27 PM)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6399325693468031456#



LadyEllen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:09:27 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#United_States

For what its worth, the above doesnt seem to agree with you or your definitions

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Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:15:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would shoot for title to ones real estate.  But no one here owns any.


(allodial)



Oh , that's right, I keep forgetting that the government owns all our homes.  [8|]

Pahunk, you need to stop listening to whack-jobs before you drive yourself completely over the edge.



well that should all be changing back over time since the restore america plan and the insertion of the grand common law juries again.  Yep we got them in all 50 states again.

So over time it means land ownership and the ability for those like me to live without having to go to court every fucking 10 minutes over the bullshit democracy issues.

enjoy your health care



Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:19:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#United_States

For what its worth, the above doesnt seem to agree with you or your definitions

E



I have a good bullshit detcetor.  you need ot look at who owns and runs wiki.

What exactly the writers of the constitution felt this should mean is uncertain.

I read that far.

Really you simply cant use wiki for squat in these kinds of debates because frankly its 98% bullshit.

I put the correct definition for republic and democracy and it is square on the money and you will go to court and win with it.



Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:22:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6399325693468031456#


there you go LE listen to this guy hes canadian and what he says applies here too but easier when you dont have to convert it to much and you shouldnt.



DomKen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:23:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Is your name in all caps on your "title"?


Why?

Would that make it valid?




All caps is your STRAWMAN.  Not "you".


So we're now down to one of the silliest claims of the sovereign citizen/anti tax movement, well except for the gold fring eon flags in courtrooms makes it an admiralty court. These pople claim that documents where proper names are printed in all caps is an arcane way of refering to a legal fiction that is 'doing business as' you. This bizarre and completely without any basis in reality claim is the base for a series of claims that leads up to the whopper that we each have a huge government adminsitered bank account that we can all write write checks against if we only knew the secret way how. This of course leads to check fraud and gullible fools winding up in jail.



pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:25:46 PM)

Free men do not use debt instruments. 



DomKen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:28:33 PM)

Come on hunky you can get well. all you have to do is question this one claim. Where is the legal base for claiming that using all caps is somehow important when typing or printing a name?



LadyEllen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:29:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OK then - "Admiralty Maritime Jurisdiction" apparently replaced any other form of jurisdiction in the US.

When?
Who authorised or enacted this change?
What are the effects of this change - a) in criminal law and b) in civil law and c) in procedural law?

Since we seem to have the expertise present here to explain this readily and clearly, I'm hopeful of acquiring some important information here, even more so if any response is directed to the answering of these three key questions rather than deflecting, rambling or generating some throw away remark to those ends.

E


still no answers on these rather straightforward questions I note

oh well, I'm sure its just the experts are too busy right now to respond to them, rather than that they dare not; perhaps when I wake tomorrow I shall find a full account of this mysterious subject.

E



jlf1961 -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:32:14 PM)

What is going to happen when the legislatures of all fifty states reject the provisions of the 'Restore America' plan and that other pile of bs that was sent to all the governors?

Not a fucking thing because if any of these groups attempt to usurp the governments of the states, or the United States they will be guilty of sedition and treated as such.

The majority, NOT the individual is where common law gets its power, if one does not agree to be governed, then they should leave the country and quite availing themselves to the rights and privileges that agreement gives them.

In other words Real, shut up or get out.



Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:32:59 PM)

do you want a response from me?



LadyEllen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:34:19 PM)

Well RO - you do seem to be the expert of experts on this arcane subject

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Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 4:37:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

What is going to happen when the legislatures of all fifty states reject the provisions of the 'Restore America' plan and that other pile of bs that was sent to all the governors?

Not a fucking thing because if any of these groups attempt to usurp the governments of the states, or the United States they will be guilty of sedition and treated as such.

The majority, NOT the individual is where common law gets its power, if one does not agree to be governed, then they should leave the country and quite availing themselves to the rights and privileges that agreement gives them.

In other words Real, shut up or get out.




so lets start here.

If these people are not taking their oath of office and THEY ARE NOT that is ok with you then right?

You know a shit load of congressmen just funneled a shit load of money offshore into private accounts on down low hush eh?

Thats where its at. 

So you think that is all okee dokee right?   The news media will tell you all about it right?  The other guy will fix it right?

So that is all fine and dandy with you?  All we have so far is the word of guns.  Remains to be seen who is who.  They got what week and a 1/2.



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