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Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 6:30:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Whatever Real has going on here is a quibble about nothing.



look on your drivers license wise ass, credit cards, warranty property deeds.

None of which have your proper appellation Ron Da WiseAss,  Its always RON DA WISEASS.

In fact capital one tried using the the Proper Name and the government kabashed that in less than 1 fucking week.

Now if you go back prior to 1933 when this country went into chapter hmm 11 or 7 I forget, you will see Peoples Proper Names on deeds.

You see they still owned their land back then.

Meaning the guberment thugs could not tax you without YOUR PERMISSION!  BEcause you were in the republic!

Really fucking small world.








mnottertail -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 6:45:10 PM)

Thats kinda fucked up, because I grew up watching these fucked up saturday westerns, in which the cowboys was shooting mean bankers cuz they took ma's 90 acre whore house from her after dad died.

The conveyance of my land surveys since minnesota becomes a state.  I have paper on it, and the land is conveyed in fee simple to the squire (if you will) right up until my name.

So I am calling you a fucking liar, a fucking cretin and a fraud, all one need do, is examine the fucking title (whether they owe anything to the bank or not) and see you are as full of shit as a christmas goose.




jlf1961 -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 7:14:50 PM)

Otter, be nice to Real, in a week and a half he is going to wake up and find all his bullshit about things changing didnt happen and he might actually wake up to reality.

Of course, in a week and a half I might actually hit the mega millions lottery and never have to worry about any cash flow problems again.

The odds are in favor of me winning the lotto.




Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 7:49:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Thats kinda fucked up, because I grew up watching these fucked up saturday westerns, in which the cowboys was shooting mean bankers cuz they took ma's 90 acre whore house from her after dad died.

The conveyance of my land surveys since minnesota becomes a state.  I have paper on it, and the land is conveyed in fee simple to the squire (if you will) right up until my name.

So I am calling you a fucking liar, a fucking cretin and a fraud, all one need do, is examine the fucking title (whether they owe anything to the bank or not) and see you are as full of shit as a christmas goose.



You are the CM comedian!

I have never in my life on any damn board I have been on met anyone that proves themselves wrong like you.

Ron, before 1933, well it started in some areas in 1913, but people had allodial title.

Once again thanks for the laugh.






Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 7:53:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Otter, be nice to Real, in a week and a half he is going to wake up and find all his bullshit about things changing didnt happen and he might actually wake up to reality.

Of course, in a week and a half I might actually hit the mega millions lottery and never have to worry about any cash flow problems again.

The odds are in favor of me winning the lotto.


I will, you wont.

you a slave boy!  Get used to it.

Just like with the traffic, try sending a ticket back like I do and telling them to pay the fucker and see how far you get SLAVE BOY! LMAO




Jeffff -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 7:57:22 PM)

You really are astounding




Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 8:02:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

You really are astounding


I know.

So you looked at your drivers licende and credit cards.

One of my all time favorites.

Just told that to a bar owner today and everyone in the bar started looking at the names and damn near shit.

Then I explained to them how it all works.  Needless to say they were pissed off at the government and the fucked up turn-on-mees that fuck every over.




Dubbelganger -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 8:10:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

You really are astounding

"Tragic" is the word I would use to describe such insanity. Thing is, delusional states are notoriously difficult to treat, even with the most cutting edge therapy and pharmacologic intervention.




Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 8:15:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

You really are astounding

"Tragic" is the word I would use to describe such insanity. Thing is, delusional states are notoriously difficult to treat, even with the most cutting edge therapy and pharmacologic intervention.[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/MSN-Emoticon-085.gif[/image]



aw does that bother the living fucking hell out of you that I am showing people therereally is remedy for those who know how to get it?

Must really fucking be painful!

I feel your pain!  Honest I do!






Arpig -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 8:48:53 PM)

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coming from your extensive study on the matter, I can certainly understand your position.
And you would know what I have and have not studied how exactly?




DomKen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 8:50:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
dude that is my point. It's the base of your beliefs and you cannot provide even one fact in support of it. This should be a slam dunk. I'll even sweeten the pot. Present a valid US law that makes the distinction you claim and I'll never respond to your claims again.



there is no statute, its one of those way kool for the foos kind of implied law sort of thing.   Can I prove it? sure got a day to read about 1" thick worth of documents?

Coming out here and blowing smoke up everyones ass and you dont even know what the fuck a nom guerre,ens legis is, is well frankly fucking beyond hilarious but I will be kind this time and not call you a tard, "leagoo beagoo".


An inch thick pile of docements? Sure I'll read them. Unlike you that isn't an all day project for me just provide a link to a real source (lexus preferably).

BTW for it to be a matter of Ens Legis there would have to be a DBA announcement somehwere. Show me where they are.




Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/18/2010 8:56:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
dude that is my point. It's the base of your beliefs and you cannot provide even one fact in support of it. This should be a slam dunk. I'll even sweeten the pot. Present a valid US law that makes the distinction you claim and I'll never respond to your claims again.



there is no statute, its one of those way kool for the foos kind of implied law sort of thing.   Can I prove it? sure got a day to read about 1" thick worth of documents?

Coming out here and blowing smoke up everyones ass and you dont even know what the fuck a nom guerre,ens legis is, is well frankly fucking beyond hilarious but I will be kind this time and not call you a tard, "leagoo beagoo".


An inch thick pile of docements? Sure I'll read them. Unlike you that isn't an all day project for me just provide a link to a real source (lexus preferably).

BTW for it to be a matter of Ens Legis there would have to be a DBA announcement somehwere. Show me where they are.


ok send me a scanner so I can scan it all in and whats fair?  Say a buck a page.

DBA?   thats ONE WAY but if you are trying to say that is the only way you are full of shit.




DomKen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 12:27:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
dude that is my point. It's the base of your beliefs and you cannot provide even one fact in support of it. This should be a slam dunk. I'll even sweeten the pot. Present a valid US law that makes the distinction you claim and I'll never respond to your claims again.



there is no statute, its one of those way kool for the foos kind of implied law sort of thing.   Can I prove it? sure got a day to read about 1" thick worth of documents?

Coming out here and blowing smoke up everyones ass and you dont even know what the fuck a nom guerre,ens legis is, is well frankly fucking beyond hilarious but I will be kind this time and not call you a tard, "leagoo beagoo".


An inch thick pile of docements? Sure I'll read them. Unlike you that isn't an all day project for me just provide a link to a real source (lexus preferably).

BTW for it to be a matter of Ens Legis there would have to be a DBA announcement somehwere. Show me where they are.


ok send me a scanner so I can scan it all in and whats fair?  Say a buck a page.

DBA?   thats ONE WAY but if you are trying to say that is the only way you are full of shit.


So this is all shit you made up? No thanks. Tell me where to find it in real reliable sources.

If a corp or other entity is going to represent itself as other than its legal name, Ens Legis, then there has to be a public DBA announcement. That's the law.




Termyn8or -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 2:13:31 AM)

FR

Look, I been through all this and gave up on that name in all caps shit long ago. If you start refusing registered mail on that basis you are a fool. When the cops are at the door it is simple, "are you SUKIM MI ENGORDI ?" "Yes" "Then you are coming with us".

Unless you are ready and able to kill each and every LEO in this country, and possibly more, they will never stop. Once they want you the never give up. Live in a small town and kill all the cops, in come the staties and most likely the national guard. Kill all them and the whole army will show up. Plus they have tear gas and everything so start building a fort.

I know someone who had an allodial title, actually had mineral rights and everything. The keyword here is had. He needed to expand the house and got an equity loan. Giving up that title was considered, but in the final analysis it came down to "What the fuck good does it do me ?". The family had bought the land off the "Indians" and his Mother was born on the kitchen table in that house. But he needed living space for a growing family and it is a city lot, it's not like you can start strip mining there. At one time they might've had enough land to make some money or something, but over the years it had been pieced off.

I have been through all this before, it is not worth it. I am not against it, but it is not worth it otherwise I would've done it. An allodial title doesn't mean shit if there are 100 guns pointed at you, and it has been that way for a long time.

And this is from someone who is on Real's side and wishes the best of luck. But I know WTF I am talking about. Real is insane, hopefully it's not permanent. Someone said that life is not a game. I beg to differ, but it is a very serious game with very high stakes, and the play is for keeps. I might go fuck with the monster but realize this, I am not afraid of losing, even if it means dying. I have vey little hope for the future of this country, the human race or even myself. Things are going down a slippery slope and there may come a point where I am ready to just fuck with them. That day is not today.

If you value your life and your future, don't fuck with them.

OK, let's go on to the mortgage schemes for a moment. There has been a recent development that has allowed a few to get out of paying for their house. This loophole will be closed very quickly, in fact I think it already has with a recent dictat from the gov about who's name goes on a foreclosure proceeding as plainiff, I have not looked into it because it doesn't affect me. But let's take a look at this. The eagerness of a child to steal is at root here. That is because unless you paid cash for your house someone else did. They are entitled to their money back, and as an asset it is only right that you pay rent on that money, that is called interest. Years ago such a loophole was found and so a few people got away with it, but guess what happened ? Like the Borg, they analysed and adapted and put a stop to it. They had to or the economy would be fucked. Once too many people find a loophole it will be closed.

So what is to be gained by disseminating information to those who either already know, won't believe it or don't care ? Where is the benefit ?

Somewht related, we stole this house - for twenty grand. The ex owner could not handle the neighborhood. Well I tamed that MF and now the immediate area is worthy of suburbia, if only the lots were bigger. The note was written in 1989. Due to a mistake I made I refused to refi, even paying 10.2%. I thought that "Option to accelerate at will" was in effect as of about 1991, and if you read it, you won't like it. I figured that since the note was written before that, current law at the time applied. WRONG ! It was already there but just had been modified in 1991. It really didn't matter because the note was so small. It got paid off early anyway. So it cost me a couple grand to be WRONG. Not a big deal, there are things alot more important.

You are not free, and you own nothing. How bad is it ? Rich people understand when they play with other people's money. It doesn't matter who "owns" the money, what matters is who is in control of it. They are fully cognizant of that fact.

Y'know, I do support the movement for freedom. Really. But what amazes me is that many in the movement do not work, rathr they collect SS and get food stamps (now known as a grub stub LOL). It is like they want to bite the hand that feeds them. Is that not a form of hypocracy ?

T




LadyEllen -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 2:59:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

here from blacks 8th

ENS LEGIS
ens legis (enz lee-jis). [Law Latin] A creature of the law; an artificial being as opposed to a natural person. • The term describes an entity, such as a corporation, that derives its existence entirely from the law.



Yes, all the sites I found referred to Blacks - but at £40-00 to check it, its a bit steep when not one of the other law dictionaries I consulted online for free had a mention of it.

So you are arguing that the use of capitalisation of names indicates the name of a legal person rather than a natural person, on title deeds et al. I presume from this that the idea is that the person named is not you the natural person, but a legal person distinct from you such that you the natural person owns nothing since it is the legal person who does. Further that everything else we have that is or might be used legally is similarly capitalised so that its a legalistic doppelganger to whom these things relate, and that this is necessary within the corporate system within which we, or rather our legalistic doppelgangers, live.

I presume further from that, that the idea is that one might escape debts as well as evade taxes and even criminal liability, because court papers do not name you the natural person but the legalistic ens legis. That the idea is to step away from the ens legis person and step outside of the corporate system, in a manner akin to being unplugged from the system in the movie series The Matrix. Thereby does one become restored to the natural state.

Am I following you correctly?
E




pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 3:09:30 AM)

Show me the statute the requires me to pay the IRS?


Ron- you own nothing.  You miserable sack of dirt. (reg w ag dept)

Only one knucklehead on this thread  might own his real estate.  j-61.   The rest of us are corporate chattel - except for hippy.  He fell out of a flying saucer.  He did-he did- stomp ;-0




pahunkboy -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 3:27:35 AM)

E.   Yous in UK are even more chattel then those in the US.

Term.,  you miss the points of this thread.    The deck is stacked.  Dont fret over one aspect of it.  People need to see just how much has been taken from them.  The illusion must be realized.

Of course in a few years- this all happens anyway- when people are in the streets, having lost their jobs, homes, and retirement.   By that time-  "free" health care- death panels will be here- and cap and trade tax and maybe a VAT.  We will officially kiss the feet of Goldman Sachs.JPM, Crown, and the fema work camps will be opens and standing room only.
It is ALL CONNECTED.

I love being nuts.   






Termyn8or -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 4:04:48 AM)

I know all about it Hunky, more than you think. You want to go sovereign ? I can tell you how to do it, but first there are some requirements you must meet.

1. You must not take any emolument from the government on any level. This mean SS, PERS, military pension, even congressional or Presidential pension. Absolutely nothing.

2. If you intend to have a bank account of any kind it must be established and in good standing at the time of your "emancipation". You can never ever open another one.

3. You can never again have a regular job if it requires signing a W4 form.

4. Unless you are truly an expert at this footwork you can never again have a car in your name, and it doesn't matter because it is also tricky even to get your license renewed. Welcome to the horse and buggy days.

5. If you want any land it must be paid off before your emancipation and then you must seek an allodial title, and do it without a regular job or any government check. On top of that, you better pay your propery taxes - IN CASH. If not they will put you off of it anyway.

6. Even if self employed, there are venues you cannot work in as well as certain jobs you must refuse.

Please note that this list is not exhaustive. Still want it ? For what ? Just what the fuck is it going to gain you ? Answer that.

T




Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 4:10:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

coming from your extensive study on the matter, I can certainly understand your position.
And you would know what I have and have not studied how exactly?


Like any good teacher I can tell by a persons responses the level of education they have on most matters I am well versed in.




Real0ne -> RE: Common Law and rights (4/19/2010 4:19:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I know all about it Hunky, more than you think. You want to go sovereign ? I can tell you how to do it, but first there are some requirements you must meet.

1. You must not take any emolument from the government on any level. This mean SS, PERS, military pension, even congressional or Presidential pension. Absolutely nothing.

There are ways around that.  Do not the king and queen take advantage of the sovereignty though they directly benefit from it?  We are after all in this country all kings and queens by law.


2. If you intend to have a bank account of any kind it must be established and in good standing at the time of your "emancipation". You can never ever open another one.

We are beyond that too, in fact sovereigns have started opening banks that cater to sovereigns, other its under protest.


3. You can never again have a regular job if it requires signing a W4 form.

well you need to look at the 8 ben and check the box hmm I forget not a us citizen I think on the w4


4. Unless you are truly an expert at this footwork you can never again have a car in your name, and it doesn't matter because it is also tricky even to get your license renewed. Welcome to the horse and buggy days.

Sure you can in fact I never updated or claimed the MSO and still do what I do, but its easy to get it back from the state if you want it.  Unless you buy a new car then they will just hand it to you.

5. If you want any land it must be paid off before your emancipation and then you must seek an allodial title, and do it without a regular job or any government check. On top of that, you better pay your propery taxes - IN CASH. If not they will put you off of it anyway.

YOu can do that administratively without them aside to notice them anyway.


6. Even if self employed, there are venues you cannot work in as well as certain jobs you must refuse.

Well you can still work for the federal government just you have to be on your game to understand how they snag you and you will be required to pay taxes with that regard anyway if you do decide to do so which I take no issue in that case.


Please note that this list is not exhaustive. Still want it ? For what ? Just what the fuck is it going to gain you ? Answer that.

T


Freedom








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