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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 9:21:16 AM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		No Ken - thats the statue that requires his legalistic doppelganger to pay the IRS, do try to keep up!

And its a good thing its the doppelganger liable to pay too, since he as a natural person, alike with the rest of us, has nothing to pay with, neither money nor property nor even that gold and silver.

The shame of it all is that when it comes to the penalties for not paying, the doppelganger doesnt do the time.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 9:29:10 AM   
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No Ken - thats the statue that requires his legalistic doppelganger to pay the IRS, do try to keep up!

And its a good thing its the doppelganger liable to pay too, since he as a natural person, alike with the rest of us, has nothing to pay with, neither money nor property nor even that gold and silver.

The shame of it all is that when it comes to the penalties for not paying, the doppelganger doesnt do the time.

E
well so called patriots of old always tried to kill the dribblegangbanger but now days we is smarter and know how to use that gangbanger to our advantage :)


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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 9:40:05 AM   
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BTW for it to be a matter of Ens Legis there would have to be a DBA announcement somehwere. Show me where they are.


So this is all shit you made up? No thanks. Tell me where to find it in real reliable sources.

If a corp or other entity is going to represent itself as other than its legal name, Ens Legis, then there has to be a public DBA announcement. That's the law.



kenny kenny kenny.....  you do love to switch those topics around dont you.   You should know by now that when you pull that shit on me you get busted every time and look the fool.  Dont you tire of getting a red face?

Oh and I gave enough to you already that you could have constructed the basic idea if you had any clue how to apply law et al.


What teh fuck do you think you just said?

Just to make this clear you claimed that teh usage of all caps in peopl's names on legal documents etc. was indicative of an Ens Legis status.

No I said the ALLCAPSNAME is an ens legis.

Ens Legis means that some entity is operating under a different name.

Says who?

In the US this requires a public DBA announcement.

No it dont, but then lord only knows what the fuck you would call a public announcement.

You can find a few of them in teh legal notices section of the classified of any newspaper. So where precisely are the DBA announcements for whatever entity it is that is referred to by the all caps usage?


I am glad you can find some and I guess that since you found some in your mind that means there is a requirement.  NEXT


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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 10:45:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Try to get this through your skull. Ens Legis means a legal entity. All legal entities are publicly registered. Therefore there would be incorporation documents or similiar for each one. there isn't. Therefore the only way this would work is if some legal entity was doing business as my proper name in all caps. That requires a public dba announcement. show me the announcements.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 11:03:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again, so what?  By the way for someone who masturbates over capitals, in the case of the word you refer to, it would be Republic.  We are again singing, 'I'm a little teapot.'

What does the constitution say?






"

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government

"

This clause, sometimes referred to as the Guarantee Clause, has historically been a part of the debate about the rights of citizens vis-a-vis state governments. The Constitution offers no explanation as to what constitutes a republican government, however the Federalist Papers give us an insight as to the intent of the Founders. A republican form of government is distinguished from a pure democracy, which the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid; as James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 10, "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
A crisis in 1840s Rhode Island, the Dorr Rebellion, forced the Supreme Court to rule on the meaning of this clause. At the time, the Rhode Island constitution was the old royal charter established in the 17th century, under which most free white males in the state were disenfranchised. An attempt to hold a popular convention to write a new constitution was declared insurrection by the charter government, and the convention leaders were arrested. One of them brought suit in federal court, arguing that Rhode Island's government was not "republican" in character, and that his arrest (along with all of the government's other acts) were invalid. In Luther v. Borden, 48 U.S. 1 (1849), the Court rejected the notion that the republican character of states lay within the purview of judicial review, holding that "it rests with Congress to decide what government is the established one in a State ... as well as its republican character." In effect, the court held the clause to be non-justiciable.
The Luther v. Borden ruling left to Congress to establish guidelines for the republican nature of state governments. This power became an important part of the initial phases of Reconstruction after the American Civil War. The Radical Republican-led Congress viewed this clause as a tool to shape the governments of the reconquered southern states: the Radical Republicans argued that any state that did not offer equality before the law and suffrage for former slaves could not be considered truly "republican," and thus could be denied Congressional representation.
With the passage of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, the power of the federal government to safeguard these rights was added to the Constitution, and this interpretation of Section Four became moot. When the Supreme Court revisited some of the territory covered by Luther v. Borden in cases like Baker v. Carr, 369 U.S. 186 (1962), the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause was the basis of its changed decisions.
The establishment of a monarchy, even a constitutional one, by any state appears to be barred by Section 4.
The guarantee of a republican government has been asserted by many advocates to prohibit the use of direct democracy procedures in the states. The use of the initiative, referendum, and recall are all tools of "direct democracy," that allow the electorate to exercise legislative power independently from their republican representatives. The Supreme Court faced a challenge to the use of statewide initiatives in Pacific States Telephone and Telegraph Company v. Oregon, 223 U.S. 118 (1912). In that case, the Court held that challenges to a state's republican character are non-justiciable political questions, and that the decision of whether a state is "republican" in conformance with the guarantee clause may be decided only by Congress. This doctrine remains valid today. Each time Congress accepts members to the House and Senate, Congress is implicitly acknowledging the legitimacy and republican nature of the state from which the representatives were elected.


From the wiki, since I am only going to phone this in.  The bullshit is not worthy of a reasoned answer via my time,  And wiki has it close enough.



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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 11:07:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Try to get this through your skull. Ens Legis means a legal entity. All legal entities are publicly registered. Therefore there would be incorporation documents or similiar for each one. there isn't. Therefore the only way this would work is if some legal entity was doing business as my proper name in all caps. That requires a public dba announcement. show me the announcements.


ENS LEGIS??????

WOW thanks for telling me what I knew 30 years ago!    What would I ever do without your help!

yeh yeh ken we know you keep foaming at the mouth with that trash and if it is a requirement then you can just lay it on us!

I wont hold my breath.


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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 11:07:49 AM   
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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 11:08:50 AM   
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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 11:43:41 AM   
Termyn8or


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Sure, then you need a green card. Applying for a green card means that you agree to pay taxes, that means signing your name. There it goes right there.

You know, I don't really disagree, but I know alot of people with selective memory. You make freedom seekers sound like Bible thumpers (and some of them are, more later on that). Somebody can take a few words out of the Bible out of context and be perfectly truthful, and be perfectly wrong. They can quote easily "Thou shall smite". Just leave everything else out and whoever believes it can go out and kill a bunch of people in the name of the lord. The same with law.

Go for it, when I attended the common law meetings/seminars there was always the mention of those who couldn't be there this time. Guess why, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN FUCKING JAIL. So if it bites you in the ass don't come crying to me.

To me Real, and I am just being frank here (who the fuck is frank anyway ? ) you have demonstrated by your own words that you are not experienced enough in these matters. I am not turning asshole and throwing you cites and quotes, these are MY words. I have seen it go sour. I have seen people get torn a new asshole by the system with my own eyes all because of one little mistake. Did I mention that you can no longer register to vote ? That's right, no more voting. Out of the system means out of the system. There is no halfway, no gray area, no selective law. If you use the law at all you need to know all the law.

Why do you think I didn't do this ? You think I have no guts ? If you do I'll introduce you to my family as well as friends I've known for thirty years and that will quickly be disproven. Have you even thought of what you have to gain and lose with this ?

You think all the years I wouldn't walk into a government building and had other run to get plates with a POA, was I  exonerated me from anything ? Poppycock. When I sign that ad hoc POA that makes their signature my signature in law.

Know what else happened ? One of our "sovereigns" who is my buddy fucked over another buddy. He was in the sovereign's employ and had a minor fender bender in a company truck. As such his personal insurance was not valid as it was a commercial vehicle - operating in commerce for y'all. Well my buddy lost his license for seven fucking years over it. This "sovereign" was pretty much uncollectable, or so it seemed. If that is your idea of freedom, GTFO. That is a rsponsibility that he should've taken and sinmply paid the wreck off. But he didn't have to because he is practically untouchable. Is this your goal ? To skate out of your rightful responsibilities ? If not, what is the goal ?

You think they are going to be afraid of you and never stop your car, never audit you, and zoining laws do not apply to your property so you could open up a rendering plant nextdoor to me ?

I am not against you Real, I want you to think this out. Go sovereign with all the details and problems involved. Do you have good reason ? Do you make in excess of a hundred grand a year and single with no dependents ? If not it is not worth it to become a non-taxpayer. You want to drive without a license ? Well just how bad is your record ? If it looks like mine it may be worth it, but even so, I don't do it. I prefer to slip through the cracks.

If you are sane, you only expend energy to do things that benefit you. Smoke ? Mr Sovereign walk into a store and buy a pack of cigarettes without paying taxes, makes the price about fifty cents. Give the fifty cents and walk out the door. You KNOW that ain't happening. Bring all the documentation, the law books and whatever else and argue the case, if you convince the clerk to give you a pack of smokes for a half a buck, off to public square we go.

You have some knowledge, just don't go off half cocked.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 1:11:10 PM   
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Term its a different world in the community today.

I certainly dont intend to go to jail because everything I do is lawful.

In fact there is hardly a month that goes by that I dont mail a secure mailing of some sort or another to shulman,  Him geithner and holder are probably the 3 main contacts I mail in DC regularly.

Its sort of fun knowing they have reason for concern when these attorneys mail me letters with no names on them. LOL

Doesnt matter much I just list everyone in the firm in the counter complaint if/when the time comes.

but thanks anyway man.


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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 3:49:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real, considering that there is no civilian equivalent to Provost Marshal, at least under the constitution, I am at a loss to see why you keep claiming there is.

The fact that the "sovereign citizen" movement keeps promoting such a position is nothing short of stupidity. It seems that they plan to invoke some believed power that would enable someone to declare themselves a local provost marshal, which under the United States Constitution would be Unconstitutional at best, and sedition at worst since it is usurping the legitimate legal authority in a given jurisdiction.

Now if this is the plan, you will find that the federal and state governments will be more than happy to put a stop to it. De jure grand juries have no standing in the Constitution and groups who have tried to push the idea have been stopped in the past.

I honestly hope that you are not proposing an armed revolt when the demands of the letters sent to the governors of the states are treated as a joke.



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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 4:52:22 PM   
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Real, considering that there is no civilian equivalent to Provost Marshal, at least under the constitution, I am at a loss to see why you keep claiming there is.

Use your head man.... if the provost marshal has the authority add it up

The fact that the "sovereign citizen"

oxymoron

movement keeps promoting such a position is nothing short of stupidity. It seems that they plan to invoke some believed power that would enable someone to declare themselves a local provost marshal, which under the United States Constitution would be Unconstitutional at best, and sedition at worst since it is usurping the legitimate legal authority in a given jurisdiction.

Really?  you sure about that?  I didnt hear any "creation" of a provost marchal where did you get that from?

Now if this is the plan, you will find that the federal and state governments will be more than happy to put a stop to it. De jure grand juries have no standing in the Constitution and groups who have tried to push the idea have been stopped in the past.

The hell they dont, you better read that constitution again.

I honestly hope that you are not proposing an armed revolt when the demands of the letters sent to the governors of the states are treated as a joke.




My armament: microsoft word, postage stamps, my fingers, the keyboard, my brain the printer.

I am not about blowing someones brains all over the room.


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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 5:00:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		And when these demands go ignored? What then, keep making yourself look like a fool.

You know, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, and you are proving the point.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 5:09:37 PM   
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And when these demands go ignored? What then, keep making yourself look like a fool.

You know, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, and you are proving the point.



What have I done?  Nothing of the sort you think.

Everything I have done is successful so far.

You have no idea how much fun it is to have these large attorn on me firms that send me attachments and they wont even put the fucking name of th eperson who sent it on it.  Same goes for government agencies.  I rather enjoy it.

The kool part for americans et al is that what we are doing will wash over on you all as well.  We hope in a big way but never know.  Hopefully the guv will treat you all with more respect as well.  They wont know who they are dealing with at first glance.

Otherwise get used to it man.  At first you wont see the change anyway.  If they all take their oaths you wont even know anything happened.  Only those of us who demand remedy will see it.  Hell you think its all voodoo and the fact that you do I think is funny as hell!  LOL





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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 5:29:22 PM   
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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 6:18:43 PM   
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US Constitution, Article III

Section 1. The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;--between a State and Citizens of another State;--between Citizens of different States;--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.



Where, in all of this about the judiciary, does the term or instance of De Jure grand juries appear?

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 8:37:49 PM   
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and here is how we have fun with people who dont understand the constitution.


so where does it say people cant have their own grand jury?


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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 8:54:27 PM   
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Not to pick you apart, well ok yeah.

First of all it is et alii, et al needs a period at the end, and there is no point in abbreviating it because it only saves one keystroke.

Then you use the word American without capitalising it. What's more the definition must be elusive, are you saying that this newfound fear of the people is going to extend to Canada, Brazil, Argentina  etc. ? If anyone is better off not falling for that misconception, it would be someone about to undertake this procedure.

So you are burning up some printers and time filing tons of paperwork to save a couple thousand a year in taxes and make yourself a target. In one sentence I found enough. You are going to write all this yourself when it is crystal clear that each and every word is exceedingly important, and by your own words even capitalization ?

Look before you leap.

T

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 8:58:02 PM   
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Real, considering that there is no civilian equivalent to Provost Marshal, at least under the constitution, I am at a loss to see why you keep claiming there is.
THe answer is in the DSM-V.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/19/2010 9:02:38 PM   
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yeh I know it takes a long time to compose good docs and you dont stay a target very long.

I agree initially its a big investment once once you get that mound of paper started you establish who and what you are for the courts. 

Yeh I do most of my own instruments but if I can find some good and I do mean good patriot shit out here I am not above plagiarizing and modifying it to my hearts content.  Only problem is that there isnt that much really good shit out here and much of it is woefully inadequate and nothing more than a rant.


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