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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

You really are astounding

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
BTW for it to be a matter of Ens Legis there would have to be a DBA announcement somehwere. Show me where they are.

So this is all shit you made up? No thanks. Tell me where to find it in real reliable sources.

If a corp or other entity is going to represent itself as other than its legal name, Ens Legis, then there has to be a public DBA announcement. That's the law.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

here from blacks 8th

ENS LEGIS
ens legis (enz lee-jis). [Law Latin] A creature of the law; an artificial being as opposed to a natural person. • The term describes an entity, such as a corporation, that derives its existence entirely from the law.

Yes, all the sites I found referred to Blacks - but at £40-00 to check it, its a bit steep when not one of the other law dictionaries I consulted online for free had a mention of it.

yeh you all have oxford we have blacks.

So you are arguing that the use of capitalisation of names indicates the name of a legal person rather than a natural person, on title deeds et al.

Not an argument, a point in law. Parity.

I presume from this that the idea is that the person named is not you the natural person, but a legal person distinct from you such that you the natural person owns nothing since it is the legal person who does. Further that everything else we have that is or might be used legally is similarly capitalised so that its a legalistic doppelganger to whom these things relate, and that this is necessary within the corporate system within which we, or rather our legalistic doppelgangers, live.

I presume further from that, that the idea is that one might escape debts as well as evade taxes and even criminal liability, because court papers do not name you the natural person but the legalistic ens legis. That the idea is to step away from the ens legis person and step outside of the corporate system, in a manner akin to being unplugged from the system in the movie series The Matrix. Thereby does one become restored to the natural state.

Am I following you correctly?
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hey Real, there is a flaw in your bullshit.

The Provost Marshal is the officer in the armed forces who is in charge of the military police (often called the provost). There may be a Provost Marshal serving at many levels of the hierarchy and he may also be the public safety officer of a military installation, responsible for the provision of fire and ambulance services as well as law enforcement. A Provost Marshal may also be in charge of the execution of punishments.

Provost Marshal is NOT a civilian authority, it is a military one. The position has no civilian authority. Another line of bs in the 'sovereign citizen' movement.

Give us all a break in you crap and go somewhere else where you are appreciated by like minded idiots.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
You are the CM comedian!

I have never in my life on any damn board I have been on met anyone that proves themselves wrong like you.

Ron, before 1933, well it started in some areas in 1913, but people had allodial title.

Once again thanks for the laugh.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
You are the CM comedian!

I have never in my life on any damn board I have been on met anyone that proves themselves wrong like you.

Ron, before 1933, well it started in some areas in 1913, but people had allodial title.

Once again thanks for the laugh.

Again, full of shit as a christmas goose, if you actually knew what allodial means, then there wouldn't have been anyone lost their fucking farms due to not being able to pay the taxes before 1933.

The only ones who are able to hold allodial title is government entities.

One needs only to type in fee simple or allodial title into google, and with absolutely no right or desire to practice at the bar, can see quite easily that the Real0ne is wearing no brains.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"We are after all in this country all kings and queens by law. "

I'll have to see something solid on this. I don't believe it. Without twisting definitions, we are not. Three hundred million Kings and Queens ? I don't think so. Twisting words is the enemy's tactic, on our side we are supposed to have truth.

Well I emailed you and no response, you said you emailed me and I did not get it so what can I say?  WAY to much for me to go through with someone like you on here cuz I simply do not have the time to take it much deeper than shallow and leave the rest up to those who are interested, or I will have no life beyond this board and not one dime to sho for it.

"in fact sovereigns have started opening banks that cater to sovereigns"
 
I knew a couple of people who were going to do just that. Instead they went into real estate. These were not stupid people, in fact one of them was the best lawyer I ever had. It was simply not in their best interest to do so. If they did however, they would have participated in the FDIC insurance and all that. By choice.

ok
 
"not a us citizen "
 
That has been bandied about before. One of the main tenets by which this can work is by virtue of the fact that a sovereign can only be a natural born Citizen of this country. If an immigrant you can't do it, but your progeny can if they are born here and you are here legally.

Right about the immigrant and a 1000 ifs ands and buts about the citizen  thats what I mean, I would rather point you to people and sources to jaw with on it.

"claimed the MSO and still do what I do, but its easy to get it back from the state if you want it"
 
Not in Ohio. To get a certificate of title for a vehicle the MSO MUST be surrendered and is destroyed immediately. And Ohio will not issue plates with the presentment of an MSO. The last state I heard that would was Tennesee, and I wouldn't bank on the fact that they still do. Yes you might beat every charge, yes you are in the right, but you are likely to spring a new court case each and every day you drive the car. It is not worth the time and that was my point.

They burned it?  thats a good one!  What a bunch of idiots. All the easier to get them.  Again if you want to contact me on the other side I can tell you how to either get it or the equivalent in one shake of the stick LOL
 
"YOu can do that administratively without them aside to notice them anyway"
 
All theories aside, if you want to buy property it will be for cash or on land contract. You cannot sign any new contracts with a bank. They no longer accept sigs with TDC after them, and neither will the license bueau. They caught on to that, and since it is supposed to be your legal signature, it is supposed to mean nothing more than that you agree to the contract. That includes hidden provisions like "This contract will be enforced under the laws of......".

"This contract will be enforced under the laws of......".
yup I write that on all my contracts.

"Well you can still work for the federal government "
 
If you can do that I'll kiss your ass on public square and give you a half hour to draw a crowd. While I am not going to turn into an asshole like some people, can you name just one who has successfully done it ? Actually you can work, but you must present your employer with a bill which he pays to you in whatever form is acceptable to you. This makes you independent. People have done that and it worked, But there are limitations and complications.

you can contract with anyone/thing, doesnt put you in their jurisdiction if you know how to write them

First of all you need enough clout to get it over in the first place, you better be damn fucking good at what you do. You must explain to the employer how this arraingment benefits them, and indemnifies them. Some can be coaxed by reviewing the expenses of putting you on the payroll, like witholding, UI and SS along with their matching 7.whatever %. The last place I worked was willing, their offer was handsome to say the least. Thirty bucks an hour take home, if there are taxes they pay them in full. It also included free transportation which adds up to 92 miles per day. I had to turn them down because I had to be loyal to my new job and they were busy. They, Mr tightlaced and straightup agreed to all this but wanted to pat me with a prepaid debit card. That way they could take the deduction as well. I just couldn't do it because of time constraints. But the point is, I'd like to see someone who works for the government do this.

Thats another ifs ands and buts one.  to lengthy to deal with here


I mean are they going to fill out the W4 and work for the US gov as a non-citizen ? Come on, not very likely. There might be some legal principle by which this could work, but I want to hear of at least one person who did it. Even with any big company, they want to drug test you and run a background and even a credit check. Do you think people like that are going to agree to this arraingement ? I don't think so.

there is a box on the w4 you can check.

Another thing people fail to realize, when you sign a contract, which is what a W4 or 1040 actually is, it doesn't matter if you put TDC afer your name, or sign Sukim Mi Engordi or even just put an X. It is your mark and therefore constitutes your legal signature and therefore consent to all terms of the contract, unless you strike them out on the original contract. That's right, it is supposed to witnessed and that would put all the handwriting analysists straight out of business if TSHTF.

There are ways around that too. again to lengthy to go into here

About six years ago I got a DUI, not that I was drunk but I went through a speed trap known as Linndale OH. Now Linndale is about five times worse than a place calle Hamtramic MI and is there is any alcohol within a mile of you you get charged. They reduce it and take your money. My lawyer at the time called it legalized extortion, even though he knew the people running this scan !. I refused the breathalyzer, and rather than refusing to sign the form, I modified the form. I scratched out certain words and terms with the same pen I used to sign. When my lawyer saw that he almost wet his pants, and came out of the prosecutor's office with a very sweet deal. It was a cake walk. The open beer, the weed, the insurance, the license, the equipment violations just magically disappeared. That's because if I had signed the document it was tantamount to admitting that I was driving. They are not a court of record, so it was handled in mayor's court. MADD is always there and if you ever get popped there, you need a lawyer who can get into judge's chambers or the prosecutor's office. Also they let me bond myself out the same night, which is an admission on their part that I was not drunk, because otherwise it would be illegal to let me do so.

I said it before, if they locked me up for twenty years for spitting on the sidewalk we would be about even.

Freedom is not free and sometimes one must thing about just how much freedom they can afford. Sad fact of life.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

very good Ron!

proving that their is NO REPUBLIC for which anything stands and the sovereignty does in fact NOT lie in the people but the government!

All those constitutions were just a big conspiracy to fool you inot thinking you were living in america when in reality the queen controls your land!

Again and again you people have no clue what you are talking about and as usual you shot yourself in the foot again.

You cant have it both ways you know.



"well Mr Franklin what did we get?  A republic if you can keep it"

so goes the saying though there is not full agreement he said it but close enough for purposes here

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

very good Ron!

proving that their is NO REPUBLIC for which anything stands and the sovereignty does in fact NOT lie in the people but the government!

All those constitutions were just a big conspiracy to fool you inot thinking you were living in america when in reality the queen controls your land!

Again and again you people have no clue what you are talking about and as usual you shot yourself in the foot again.

You cant have it both ways you know.



"well Mr Franklin what did we get?  A republic if you can keep it"

so goes the saying though there is not full agreement he said it but close enough for purposes here

So, the republic for which it stands, is the pledge of allegiance, not anything else and no concern of law.  Created by a Baptist minister and published in a childrens magazine, it has the equivalence of singing, 'I'm a little teapot'.

And yes, I have been arguing that all along that lands held allodially are done so for the specific reason that you cannot be soveriegn, and you are not soveriegn, you do not abide by your own personal laws by the laws of the society which you inhabit. So, I am not having shit both ways, I have repeatedly stayed upon this side of the road.

The constitution does not fool you into thinking you are soveriegn, the only one who has had the wool pulled over their eyes is you.

res publica; a public affair.

Sorry, you fucked up, you believed some whacked out shit that just ain't got even a glimmer of the truth, Real.  Wake up.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
BTW for it to be a matter of Ens Legis there would have to be a DBA announcement somehwere. Show me where they are.

So this is all shit you made up? No thanks. Tell me where to find it in real reliable sources.

If a corp or other entity is going to represent itself as other than its legal name, Ens Legis, then there has to be a public DBA announcement. That's the law.

kenny kenny kenny.....  you do love to switch those topics around dont you.   You should know by now that when you pull that shit on me you get busted every time and look the fool.  Dont you tire of getting a red face?

Oh and I gave enough to you already that you could have constructed the basic idea if you had any clue how to apply law et al.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Show me the statute the requires me to pay the IRS?