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PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/17/2010 6:34:20 PM   
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Its just theory go back to sleep now.

good nite........

This isnt a conspiracy theory, this isnt a œconnection that we invented out of fresh air to make our brains release dopamine, as Gartners bizarre hit piece goes on to claim, its there in black and  white, but Gartner has either failed to read the whole document or has performed his own act of psychological gymnastics and summarily dismissed the evidence because it does not fit with his preconceptions “ the very charge he levels at œconspiracy theorists in his hit piece.

Gartner says conspiracy theorists are œimmune to evidence and yet he displays that very trait in this instance.

It isnt long before Gartner regurgitates the tired old cliche about people needing to create conspiracy theories and some semblance of order to make themselves feel better in a chaotic world. He even claims that œfinding meaning in sometimes insignificant events creates dopamine, an overproduction of which can lead to schizophrenia. Of course, none of this has any relation whatsoever to powerful people planning the future of the planet that they rule (a ridiculous œconspiracy theory in Gartners mind), but Gartners objective isnt to disprove the claims of Alex Jones in a logical manner, its to denounce the messenger using convoluted and ham-fisted psychological rhetoric that isnt even applicable.

But whats good for the goose is good for the gander. The greatest purveyors of myths and œconspiracy theories about political events have and always will be authorities and governments.

Scientists who recently investigated why so many people believed the falsehood that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 found that Americans wanted to believe that Iraq was connected to 9/11 because it helped them make sense of current reality. How is that any different from the claim that conspiracy theorists invent connections to help them better comprehend current events?

Beyond the accusations of who invents what to justify their worldview “ conspiracists and debunkers alike “ are the facts.

History is littered with political conspiracies that actually happened and were not the manifestation of unstable minds.

Indeed, history tells us that the bigger the lie, the bigger the conspiracy, the more likely the masses are to believe it, and governments throughout the ages have harnessed this trick to pursue their agendas since time began.

In such an environment, those who aggressively question the official authodoxy, or œconspiracy theorists as Gartner labels them, should be welcomed as a key bulwark against the kind of tyranny and oppression that has blighted the world at numerous intervals in the past, aided in no small part by the quack psychologists in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany that classified skepticism of the state as a mental illness, an implication Gartner regurgitates in his hit piece.

It was not deception on behalf of œconspiracy theorists that convinced Germans to follow Adolf Hitler, the lies that built the Nazi tyranny came directly from the state. It was not the beliefs of œconspiracy theorists that hoodwinked Americans into thinking Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, that particular œbig lie came directly from the lips of the President of the United States.

œWere all conspiracy theorists to some degree, writes Gartner and never has a truer word been spoken.

Gartner has to be the biggest conspiracy theorist of all because he seems to hold the ludicrous belief that powerful men do not get together and plan things, which in Gartners mind is a viewpoint indicative of a psychotic mind.

As is always the case, the debunker, in this case Gartner, completely fails to grasp that his stance is completely out of touch with modern day sentiment. He poses as some kind of authority figure casting down his disdain upon the bedraggled minority of œconspiracy theorists below, yet he is in the minority.

It is Gartners twilight zone world of angelic governments who commit no sin except within the twisted minds of dangerous psychotics, in light of admitted conspiracies that continue to be exposed on an almost daily basis “ the phony terror alerts, the cronyism of the banker bailout, the torture scandal, that represents a genuine display of psychotic thinking.

Gartner is really scraping the barrel when he unearths a 7-year-old incident about a disturbed man attempting to enter Bohemian Grove carrying guns in an effort to portray conspiracy theorists, an in particular Alex Jones, as a physical danger to society.

In reality, the kind of warped thinking that Gartner embraces, that skepticism of government is a form of mental illness, is one of the most dangerous threats to a free society that ever existed.

As we have seen before in history, the designation of political opinions deemed to be antagonistic towards or even merely skeptical of the state as a psychological illness is a hallmark of tyranny.

In the former Soviet Union, "psikhushkas" (mental hospitals) were used by the state as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally.

The Soviet state began using mental hospitals to punish dissidents in 1939 under Stalin.

According to official Soviet psychiatry and the Moscow Serbsky Institute at the time, œideas about a struggle for truth and justice are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure. Treatment for this special political schizophrenia included various forms of restraint, electric shocks, electromagnetic torture, radiation torture, lumbar punctures, various drugs ” such as narcotics, tranquilizers, and insulin ” and beatings.

Anne Applebaum, author of Gulag: A History, indicates that at least 365 sane people were treated for œpolitically defined madness, although she surmises there were many more.

These kind of œtreatments for the œmental illness of being a conspiracy theorist or merely being skeptical of government were brutally enforced by quack psychologists in both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, a fact that Gartner, trapped in his bubble of delusion and ignorance of any evidence that contradicts with his preconceptions, claimed to be completely unaware of when we confronted him with it.

Quack psychologists like Gartner who define distrust of authorities and alternative explanations for the œofficial story put out by governments who have repeatedly proven themselves to be liars as a form of psychosis are themselves as mentally unstable as their much vaunted peers “ people like the insane cocaine addict Sigmund Freud and the Nazi child abuser Alfred Kinsey “ and represent a far greater danger to society than the œconspiracy theorists that they so readily seek to denigrate.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=65&contentid=6271&page=2

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/17/2010 6:43:58 PM   
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Its just theory


Not even. A theory has been repeatedly tested and can shown to work even when others repeat the tests.

These are theories, but rank speculation.

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/17/2010 6:44:47 PM   
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It is always healthy to distrust authority and those that seek it.

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/17/2010 7:03:20 PM   
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Real, you have no psychological proof to back up your claims, it is all just the same bs from a conspiracy site that proves absolutely nothing.

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/18/2010 12:14:54 AM   
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Poo poo. I know there are 536 conspirators in DC who constsantly plot against us for their own personal gain. Oh sure they got it broke up into two camps for show, but they share a common goal, to get and/or stay rich. What happens to the rest of us is totally immaterial to them. You, the posters on CM have actually provided part of the evidence, but it is so vast that you haven't even scratched the surface.

But since we can't agree on the meaning of the words conspiracy and evidence, none of this matters. Use all the words in the dictionary, but it matters not because the meaning is as fluid as water. For example the words shall, not, be and infringed mean totally different things than most think. Freedom and speech also have meanings that are vastly different than the ones commonly accepted by the masses. In fact all the fine words written a bit over 200 years ago were for naught, a bunch of rubbish put out by conspiracy theorists who became conspirators. All of those fine words boil down to three simple definitions now - produce, consume and obey.

Every day I work my boss and I conspire to make the most money possible, but it is not defined as a conspiracy because the business pays taxes. My mechanics and I conspire to take sorely needed money out of the mouths of the children of certified mechanics and their poor bosses and coworkers. I conspire just by myself to take money out of the mouths of poor starving children in China by not buying their garbage. I conspire myself to commit bankrupcy and take money out of the mouths of poor starving bankers, who are so unfortunate to have only approximately doubled the $40,000 they were stupid enough to give me.

But the government defines conspiracy. What they do is to cooperate. I just wish they would cooperate with us. When details of this operation are occasionally revealed, it is not evidence, just facts. Just some random facts, thats all. And if facts get in the way of the plan, then they will be reclassified as non facts or something else.

Simple really. Are we all on the same page now ?

T

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/18/2010 12:44:36 PM   
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Real, you have no psychological proof to back up your claims, it is all just the same bs from a conspiracy site that proves absolutely nothing.




So you really dont believe 19 hijackers flew planes into the wtc is that it?


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/18/2010 1:12:28 PM   
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Thank you Termyn8or.

It echoes my sentiments exactly. Constructive, yet to the point (And not crazy)

Maybe they will listen to you. The same individuals that tell me It Cyclical and forget about how we actually started this county. Through a bloody war, gun powder, lead, and propaganda. And yes, everyone has propaganda too. To propagate an ideology of what should the average male and female should have.... and it is a must lest you are called a Scrapper, Poor, and whatnot.

Money is a shitty metric for defining human character. Excuse my nonfrench.


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/18/2010 6:26:59 PM   
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Well, since you cant even spell, you don't get the little star that advances you from cretin to moron.



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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/18/2010 6:43:55 PM   
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Why is this important?

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/19/2010 2:33:57 AM   
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This thread is loosely based on psychology to say the least, so improper use of the word cretan and moron are not appropriate. The have definitions in the science, as well as idiot and imbecile.

They all have specific definitions, and really shouldn't be used as slurs in the first place. But now I can use the word fucking here, because this thread is not about sex. I can presumably improperly use the word static, because this has nothing to do with electricity.

It's amazing how people who use certain words as slurs have no fucking idea what they mean. It's as if their learning process became static during their preteen years.

So there.

T

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/19/2010 3:29:48 AM   
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Well, since you cant even spell, you don't get the little star that advances you from cretin to moron.


I would like an apology for this post.   You are disrupting the board by these personal attacks.

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 7:19:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
It's amazing how people who use certain words as slurs have no fucking idea what they mean. It's as if their learning process became static during their preteen years.

So there.

T



most of the persons are functionally illiterate


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 7:28:53 AM   
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The property of literacy is like a Boolean expression in programming i.e. true or false, there is no in-between.


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 1:05:59 PM   
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boolean is binary and there is an infinite number of points between 0 and 1

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 1:18:48 PM   
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Boolean logic (boolean math) 

This is the logic that computers use to determine if a statement is true or false. There are 4 main boolean operators: AND, NOT, OR, and XOR. Below are some examples of how the 4 operators work:
x AND y retuns True if both x and y are true, otherwise the expression returns False.
NOT x returns True if x is false (or null) and False if x is true.
x OR y returns True if either x or y or both are true; only if they are both false will it return False.
x XOR y returns True if either x or y are true, but not both. If x and y are both true or false, the statement will return False.
boolean resolves to a binary truth or falsehood
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......there is an infinite number of points between 0 and 1........

Fuzzy Logic (fuzzy math)
a form of mathematical logic in which truth can assume a continuum of values between 0 and 1

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 1:41:16 PM   
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Damn, Ron -- Boolean and fuzzy logic gets me clickin on the scroll!!!

I don't give a crap about conspiracy theories, but I thought I'd address this.

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boolean is binary and there is an infinite number of points between 0 and 1

No.  There aren't.  Mathematicians choose to assume there are infinitely many points between 0 and 1, because "infinity" is a easier to manipulate conceptually than "a whole shitload more than I can count."  However, the best-tested physical theories indicate that there are only finitely many points between any two locations in the material universe.  There's even a shortest possible length, the Planck Length, which quantizes space into lots of very tiny discrete intervals.  So a particle isn't moving smoothly through a continuum.  It's hopping from one Planck length to the next.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 1:51:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
It's amazing how people who use certain words as slurs have no fucking idea what they mean. It's as if their learning process became static during their preteen years.

So there.

T



most of the persons are functionally illiterate


That's a bit rich coming from somebody who can't be bothered to start a sentence with a capital and finish it with a full stop*, isn't it? Hell, you could have tied up your cut and paste in the original post as well, come to that.

*(Eurotrash for "period".)

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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 2:01:14 PM   
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Damn, Ron -- Boolean and fuzzy logic gets me clickin on the scroll!!!

I don't give a crap about conspiracy theories, but I thought I'd address this.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

boolean is binary and there is an infinite number of points between 0 and 1

No.  There aren't.  Mathematicians choose to assume there are infinitely many points between 0 and 1, because "infinity" is a easier to manipulate conceptually than "a whole shitload more than I can count."  However, the best-tested physical theories indicate that there are only finitely many points between any two locations in the material universe.  There's even a shortest possible length, the Planck Length, which quantizes space into lots of very tiny discrete intervals.  So a particle isn't moving smoothly through a continuum.  It's hopping from one Planck length to the next.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale




yeh in the material world, but I was referencing the math world.  Sounds  like valance jumps.


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 2:02:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
It's amazing how people who use certain words as slurs have no fucking idea what they mean. It's as if their learning process became static during their preteen years.

So there.

T



most of the persons are functionally illiterate


That's a bit rich coming from somebody who can't be bothered to start a sentence with a capital and finish it with a full stop*, isn't it? Hell, you could have tied up your cut and paste in the original post as well, come to that.

*(Eurotrash for "period".)


you may want to compare the difference between lazy and illiterate
i think that will help


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RE: PsychoToday - Conspiracy Deniars - Its Just Theory! - 4/20/2010 2:10:03 PM   
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most of the persons are functionally illiterate

That's a bit rich coming from somebody who can't be bothered to start a sentence with a capital and finish it with a [period], isn't it?

Nevermind that it's not a syntactically correct English sentence to begin with (ref. "the persons").

K.

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