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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 11:46:54 AM   
reynardfox


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Status: offline 		If you enjoy it, why stop? It's just a game after all, don't give yourself a complex.
Nothings going to happen.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 11:59:24 AM   
Andalusite


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Status: offline 		Umm, no, it isn't a game to his girlfriend or the women he's leading on and using. If he keeps it up, it'll serve him right if one of them outs him and spreads his pictures around. I agree, there are lots of mature 18-23 year olds, and plenty of immature 40-50 year olds around here. Jinger is specifically being immature and IMHO has no business being in a relationship, even a vanilla one, until he has better self-control.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 12:03:12 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Status: offline 		I wasn't going to respond to this thread because LadyPact pretty much said everything I would have said in her initial response.

But this.

quote:

ORIGINAL: reynardfox
If you enjoy it, why stop? It's just a game after all, don't give yourself a complex.
Nothings going to happen.


What an absolutely irresponsible bit of advice. I'm assuming you did this to shake things up and get a little flame war going? Which would make you ill-willed, as opposed to just daft if you actually believed this.

- LA

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 12:58:27 PM   
ResidentSadist


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ORIGINAL: GoddessImaginos

quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: Jinger

I have a problem with guilt.,, et al


Just about all guilt in general can be fixed:

The Book of the Law (aka Liber L vel Legis)

By: Aleister Crowley (through spirit of Aiwass)


<-- has this on e-book. KUDOS for the shout-out!


I am glad to see this uncommon book in your collection. I am not sure if I swallow all of Aleister Crowley's spiritual premiss for the book. However, I would agree with the message and philosophy of the writings themselves... even if they weren't truly “automatic writing” of channeled spirits.

I am also a fan of the Marquis DeSade's “Letters From Prison” in which he addresses the misguided and over rated so called “morals” of mankind. Morals and guilt are like regret . . . they really don't do anything constructive . . . and at best, even the highest morals only serve to prevent someone from doing something destructive.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 1:02:15 PM   
Jinger


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Status: offline 		I think its safe to say we can stick a fork in this post.

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RE: MORE QUESTIONS - 4/18/2010 1:56:57 PM   
OrpheusAgonistes


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There's more I want to say but frankly it all sounds defensive and self-confirming so I'll just leave it at that and say that you guys were right.

FURTHERMORE

I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and remove all photos of myself from this site I deem sexual.
I visit this site for different reasons, but there's no need to get people hard over what they can't have, right?


Had you never chosen to post details of your unscrupulous behavior, this would be none of my business.  But since you are the one who started this squalid and rather tedious little one act play, and since you have now provided an entirely unsatisfactory denouement, I am well within my rights to mention that you need to admit your behavior to your "beloved."

You've described a pattern of behavior.  You've described something cyclical.  This is information that she needs in order to decide whether or not to continue the relationship.  Anything less than a full and forthcoming confession to her is equivalent to mocking her, and to shredding whatever trust she may have chosen to place in you into ribbons. 

With confession, there is the possibility of coming to a mutual understanding and sustaining a relationship.  There is also the chance she will choose to dump your ass once she finds out about your behavior.  In either case, anyone you refer to as your "beloved" absolutely has the right to know who she has really been involved with and how he really behaves when no one is looking.


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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 2:07:35 PM   
GraciousLady


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Status: offline 		Although I feel his guilt and his asking for others opinions to help him sort through his feelings is admirable I do not feel much has changed. Had he really wanted to get on the straight and narrow about his relationship he would have taken his profile down by now; not just changed pictures.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 2:34:17 PM   
lizi


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ORIGINAL: GraciousLady

Although I feel his guilt and his asking for others opinions to help him sort through his feelings is admirable I do not feel much has changed. Had he really wanted to get on the straight and narrow about his relationship he would have taken his profile down by now; not just changed pictures.


Why? Many of us aren't looking for others but have profiles here for our friends or for whatever reasons. Why is the OP having an active profile a danger? He's said he likes to come here to the boards and participate, that's one reason to have a profile.

About the rest of this thread, I think the guy has been raked over the coals fairly well. He recognized that he wanted to stop something, and came here to get confirmation that it was indeed wrong to be doing what he was doing. He got that confirmation in spades, he has taken the advice about stopping what he was doing and has in the mean time been concientious about following through on this thread. It just seems to me that he got bit more of an ass kicking than was maybe deserved. I am not condoning his actions at all, just wondering if some of the answers didn't go overboard in their negativity.
The OP is young, he made a mistake, he recognized it and is moving on in a more fruitful direction.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 2:42:02 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Why? Many of us aren't looking for others but have profiles here for our friends or for whatever reasons.


Yes, but those don't have the following selected on their profiles
Actively Seeking:
- Dominant Women
- Switch Women
- Dominant Trans
- Femdom Couples
- Friends Only
- Online Romance

He also lists himself as pro-submissive in his profile.

Seriously, OrpheusAgonistes nailed the nail on the head. This kid is playing games behind people's back. I usually don't bother myself about what people do, but he came here to expose his bad behaviour, we didn't drag him out into the arena.

- LA

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 2:44:23 PM   
GraciousLady


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Status: offline 		At no point has he said his girlfriend knows he is a prosub or that she knows of this profile. If she dosen't know about those 2 facts I would say things have not changed.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 2:50:08 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Status: offline 		He has a girlfriend that he wants to move in with and marry but has a alternate life here with a profile on which he says he's a pro-sub. You got that part, right? Cos that's just not cool. It's actually called deceit.

- LA

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 2:54:34 PM   
LadyAngelika


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I wanted to take down all the slutty pictures of myself on collarme...I managed to change my default but
it won't let me do the rest.

SAD FACE.


Go to: http://www.collarme.com/personals/processor.htm. In the drop down menu, select each photo and then check the box that says: Check here to remove this photo, then click update profile.

If that doesn't work, you can send a note to support here: http://www.collarme.com/personals/support.htm

- LA

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:03:04 PM   
lally2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

He has a girlfriend that he wants to move in with and marry but has a alternate life here with a profile on which he says he's a pro-sub. You got that part, right? Cos that's just not cool. It's actually called deceit.

- LA


if youre a pro-sub, doesnt that mean that you submit to people for money and if that is the case, wouldnt that result in marks, bruises - im assuming his pro-subbing is more along the BDSM line than the service line.

so...., my question is - how do you hide such marks from youre girlfriend - that just doesnt add up in my head at all.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:15:32 PM   
GraciousLady


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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

He has a girlfriend that he wants to move in with and marry but has a alternate life here with a profile on which he says he's a pro-sub. You got that part, right? Cos that's just not cool. It's actually called deceit.

- LA


if youre a pro-sub, doesnt that mean that you submit to people for money and if that is the case, wouldnt that result in marks, bruises - im assuming his pro-subbing is more along the BDSM line than the service line.

so...., my question is - how do you hide such marks from youre girlfriend - that just doesnt add up in my head at all.


I know anything is possible so his girlfriend may know what type of work he does but I do not think it's probable. So, I've been feeling like lally is feeling. Something just isn't right here. I started feeling that way when I read his profile earlier. I can't imagine thinking a sub, even a pro sub, is attractive to many with a profile like that. If you have not looked it over it may help you understand why I feel like lally.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:23:22 PM   
Jinger


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From: Rochester
Status: offline 		I hadn't thought about altering my interests, I'll definitely do that.

•••

I'm a little disappointed at how bad some of you are at stalking me. Haven't you read my journals?
...Or the other threads I've contributed/started?

You guys are ridiculous. There's no such thing as a pro sub.
But keep going though, it's funny. You're on a role.

•••

In all seriousness though...
I know what I'm going to do with my behavior, you can take it or leave it. It doesn't affect me at all whether or not any of you believe me.
But really, you're going to scare people off if you keep making these ignorant accusations.

I thank the people who have shown some understanding and courtesy in their replies.
I thank those who kicked my ass, I needed it.

The rest of you war mongers can keep debating over my character if you like but I'm done with this thread.

TA!

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:30:13 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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ORIGINAL: Jinger

There's no such thing as a pro sub.
Are you serious? I know several in person. Never played with them, but they certainly exist...


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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:31:10 PM   
LadyAngelika


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I'm a little disappointed at how bad some of you are at stalking me. Haven't you read my journals?
...Or the other threads I've contributed/started?


Frankly, no. I don't do background checks on posters here. I take the thread they are contributing at face value. If I recall them from another thread, then this might come into play, but that wasn't the case for you.

quote:

You guys are ridiculous. There's no such thing as a pro sub.


Actually, there is and I know a few who have made a very successful living at it.

quote:

The rest of you war mongers can keep debating over my character if you like but I'm done with this thread.


You think you are done with this thread, but it might not be done with you.

In any case, I am. Your last post has proven to me that you really had no desire to change at all, just wanted a little attention. You come across as an immature little attention monger. Kudos!

Oh, and you are welcome with the profile secondary picture help. We'll see in a day or so if you were sincere about that one too.

- LA

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:37:00 PM   
DomImus


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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub
You are a walking testicle.


That was just laugh out loud funny.


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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:49:18 PM   
Jinger


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Actually, there is and I know a few who have made a very successful living at it.


Name them.

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RE: Libidos and Moral Dilemmas - 4/18/2010 3:52:36 PM   
VaguelyCurious


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jinger

quote:

Actually, there is and I know a few who have made a very successful living at it.


Name them.


I've met these two in person. There are a few others whose internet names I am unsure of.

http://prosub-nina.com/

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/p/Tara_Red/


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