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Termyn8or -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/22/2010 10:19:52 PM)

HK, is my sarcasm detector out of alignment ? Or are you serious ?

Fuck Dees' wifebeating and womanizing, it is not a material point. Looking at the cases they choose to persue is the real problem. If his olady stuck around too long that is her problem, and he has not been accused of rape so all the personal accusations don't mean shit to me. It is the core direction of the SPLC that is. One of labelling and targeting, which if done by actual LEOs would be called profiling and be useful to the defense in a criminal case.

If you agree with that, get in line with me at the disintegration chamber for being a sexual deviant, Ill even let you cut in front of me.

T



DomKen -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/22/2010 10:49:00 PM)

Dees has found a strategy that destroys violent hate groups. None of the civil suits could be brought without the overt violent act.

Take what happened to the Aryan Nation. The Keenan family was simply driving near the groups compound when their car backfired. The compound guards shot the car until it crashed, beat the mother and son and held them at gunpoint. Dees represented the Keenans in the suit that bankrupted the AN that suit was brought and tried in Idaho in front of a jury so the outcome cannot be credited to a liberal jury. The Keenans received the groups compound when they couldn't pay the damage award. That's the same compound that had been essentially lawless for better than a decade. Now it is a peace park. AN is splintered and is no longer major player in running guns and meth.

And all of that without the government restricting anyone's rights.



Termyn8or -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/22/2010 11:18:37 PM)

You sure that was the AN and not the NA ? They sued the NA, but I don't remember the circumstances the same. However we may be talking two totally different incidents here.

In the case I remember against the NA, they won a bunch of money, but didn't get the place, and the NA was not lawless, even by normal standards let alone mine. And the NA members did not fire a shot, they just scared the people who had actually trespassed on the property. Truthfully, I am not totally sure the SPLC was involved with that case, but it seem like one of their's.

But in more realistic terms, the AN probably thought it was a driveby. (if it is a different case and there is no dyslexia involved with the abbreviation) In most cases a self defense defense should work if everything was fair. Try a driveby at my place and alot more will happen than someone just getting scared. But the NA always shunned violence and would not tolerate it from their members. If you were found to commit racial violence you would be thrown out. The founder and hierarchy knew that violence would get them nowhere, no matter what their personal feelings might be about races and whatever else.

The question is, did the AN hurt anyone ? In my world there has to be a victim for a crime to have occurred. But then that is not the way they see it now. Just scaring someone is actiuonable. I don't think that's right, but then some people again fuck it up for everyone else. People are so weak today they piss their pants when the phone rings. If unwarranted fear is a valid cause of action we are in deep shit, hmm actually we are.

People in the past wanted freedom and were willing to sustain some fear, provide for the defense of themselves and their loved ones. Now people don't care about anything except living without any fear, or any pain either. That's why the US is the painkiller capitol of the world. That is also why we are the most litigatious society in the world. However in time, we won't even be able to call it a society because of all this bullshit.

T

ETA

Correction, you said they beat the Mother and son. I read too fast. You also say Idaho I think but what I am talking about was IIRC in WV. While I admit to racism, or at least racialism, I have no love for the Aryan nation nor any White supremacists. If your account of these events is accurate I would be willing to prosecute them myself.

That doesn't mean that I support the SPLC, or the ACLU (for similar reasons). But rather than rewrite the whole thing which screws things up, I figured I would add this. It appears I was mistaken and these are two totally different cases.

T



Elisabella -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/22/2010 11:30:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Why is Ron Paul on this "list"?


That's exactly what I was wondering.



Termyn8or -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 12:34:26 AM)

Elisa...., if you read the patriot act you will see. Unfortunatley that could take months. Not that I have mind you, but in the reports on it's content many things are very dark indeed. It is so broad and undefined that if the Red Cross goes into Afghanistan and you supported the Red Cross, you could be labelled a terrorist. If you have relatives in certain countries and send them money or anything, even including food, you could be labelled a terrorist.

I doubt that one senator or congressman actually read the whole thing before voting on it. This is a great cuse of consternation for me, because this is not the vibrant, healthy and somewhat free country in which I was born.

But yes, under the patriot act, Ron Paul is only a few words short of meeting the legal definition of a terrorist. One who support a terrorist is also branded a terrorist. It is so bad that you could actually be imprisoned forever for writing a check.

T



kittinSol -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 4:10:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Yes, but is Ron Paul a terrorist?  He is on the list.



From the SPLC:

"One reason the resurgent antigovernment "Patriot" movement is taking off so quickly is the support for many of its central ideas that comes from ostensibly mainstream figures in politics and the media.

These men and women have helped to put key Patriot themes — the idea that President Obama is a Marxist, that he and other elites in the government are pushing a socialist takeover, that the United States plans secret concentration camps and so on — before millions of Americans, many of whom actually believe these completely false allegations. Whether these people tell such tall tales because they believe them or simply because they are willing to shamelessly pander for votes or ratings, is anyone's guess; but the noxious effect on the body politic is the same. (...);

"The "Ron Paul Revolution" failed to put the radical libertarian and outspoken Texas congressman into the White House, but Paul's long-shot campaign gave voice to the discontented on the GOP's right flank and created a prototype of sorts for the Tea Party insurgency that followed.

Whether he's advocating pulling out of the United Nations, trashing the Fed, or returning to the gold standard, Paul's views have scored him plenty of points among the Patriot crowd. One Patriot activist minting his own currency in the late 2000s even created the "Ron Paul Dollar."

With his straight-shooting style and unwavering ideology, Paul represents an accessible brand of Patriot politics that helps validate and stoke fears of an overreaching government on the far right. Paul told Fox Business News earlier this year, for example, that the health care reform legislation "is immoral because it's based on government theft." On his congressional website, he warns that Census information has been used to intern Japanese Americans and find alleged tax evaders and draft dodgers. "It is not hard to imagine that information compiled by the Census could be used against people in the future, despite claims to the contrary."


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/the-patriots?page=0,4




pahunkboy -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 10:39:28 AM)

So that is the list of people to assassinate?   Or the no fly list?

If this was UK- we could sue for libel.

What a broken down waste of office space.   Why do people hire SPLC?    Is that like a lobbyies?  or more like a PR firm?

Ron Paul is a DR.  So now DRs are a threat to national security.

I never seen such a goofier bunch of ivory tower snobs as this crack outfit.



Termyn8or -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 11:58:46 AM)

"before millions of Americans, many of whom actually believe these completely false allegations"

And Gitmo is what ?

T



popeye1250 -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 1:33:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

So that is the list of people to assassinate?   Or the no fly list?

If this was UK- we could sue for libel.

What a broken down waste of office space.   Why do people hire SPLC?    Is that like a lobbyies?  or more like a PR firm?

Ron Paul is a DR.  So now DRs are a threat to national security.

I never seen such a goofier bunch of ivory tower snobs as this crack outfit.




PaHunk, true. I wonder if I contact the SPLC and ask them to put me on their "list" if they would?
It could turn out to be a "status" thing.
I was reading some stuff about that Morris Dees guy. Real sexual sleazeball. "Self Important."
And why is Dr. Ron Paul on their list? Oh well, he was a USAF Flight Surgeon.



kittinSol -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 1:34:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
I was reading some stuff about that Morris Dees guy. Real sexual sleazeball. "Self Important."


Takes one to know one.



Termyn8or -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 1:52:56 PM)

LOL kit, you just like to bring out the latent lawyer in me.

In grade school I had problems. At one point a counsellor asked if I respect my teachers. I replied that everyone deserves respect, even a newborn baby, and they didn't pick up on the implication that they hadn't done much to earn more than that base level of that intangible quantity. That was before I was even ten years old.

More recently, a year or two ago this dumb broad was prancing around the street, I proceeded slowly but she swayed in front of my car and it has one of those thingies in front, like a cage or a guard. Whatever it is it is made out of metal and goes in front of a car or truck. This was very close to the store to which I was headed and when I parked the dumb cunt came up demanding an apology. I wasn't aware anything had happened and I was going very slow because the street was full of people. She apparently came in contact with that thing in front. She said that I should apologize for almost running her over. In the end I apologized. "If I almost hit you, yes I am sorry". She went away not realizing the implication was that I might possibly wish that I had actually run her dumb ass over.

People are so fucking stupid that there are days when I simply don't want to talk to anyone. It's not worth the effort to even move my lips.

T



kittinSol -> RE: Southern Poverty Law Center Publishes Patriot Hit List (4/23/2010 1:54:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

It's not worth the effort to even move my lips.



Cool. Now it's time to work on those fingers, Term: it's not worth the effort to even keep on typing.



rfd1 -> The Hidden Agenda of the Southern Poverty Law Center (4/23/2010 2:01:50 PM)

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In an excellent piece “What's behind the anti-Tea Party hate narrative?” the Washington Examiner’s Chief Washington Correspondent Byron York notes that “Many of the claims that extremism is on the rise in America originate in research done by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based group that for nearly 40 years has tracked what it says is the growing threat of intolerance in the United States.”

The SPLC is not only taken seriously by the liberal media, but also by the Department of Homeland Security. When they issued their now infamous report on “Right Wing Extremists” that warned “disgruntled” military veterans will become potential terrorists, they quoted a SPLC report entitled "A Few Bad Men" that claims racists are infiltrating the military.

Coincidentally, "A Few Bad Men" appeared as the SPLC attacked the American Legion for its support of immigration enforcement, which they called "Legionnaires' Disease."

This is indicative of what the SPLC is really about. Instead of monitoring “hate” and “extremism,” they are concerned with tarring patriotic Americans who oppose their left wing agenda as haters and extremists.

As a vocal opponent of uncontrolled immigration, I am a frequent target of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Their website contains over 60 articles that attack me.

Last year, I spoke at a college in New York State. After my speech, a student handed me one of his text books entitled Understanding Human Differences: Multicultural Education in a Diverse America. Given the title, I didn’t expect sympathetic treatment.

However, I was still shocked to see myself quoted as saying, "illegal immigrants were 'coming to kill you and kill me and our families.'"

While illegal aliens disproportionately commit violent crimes, I would never make such a blanket assertion. I contacted the publisher who gave the source as the Southern Poverty Law Center’s hysterical smear piece against the immigration control movement creatively titled "The Nativists."

The SPLC purported that I said this at a 2004 speech in Illinois. What I actually said was that our open borders policies allow terrorists to sneak into our country. And yes, terrorists want to "kill you and kill me and our families."

Tom Tancredo



pahunkboy -> RE: The Hidden Agenda of the Southern Poverty Law Center (4/23/2010 2:06:25 PM)

But what do they sell?

What is it that my household would purchase from these people?





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