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The information would be the same as given to everyone at that school. Would think there would be a typical bell curve scores resulting from it. However, take that district versus kids that maybe go to Choate School in the Northeast. No contest. All the Choate kids scored higher than students from your offsprings schools. Why? It is in what is taught. Amount of money spent per student, the teacher/student ration. Does that matter? Well yes, since most if not all of Choate Graduates end up in an Ivy League school which then leads to a Prominent position in Gov't or Business.

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So browsing the majority of comments...one would assume that there is nothing wrong with holding slaves as long as the people selling them to you are complicit in the sale. Did I about get that right?

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Ok, lets tick these off...Great Society programs helped who exactly? White Americans in large measure. Civil Rights Act? Oh great thanks we can officially VOTE since we were already citizens...Brown vs. Board of Ed....great we get to go to school where we want. What repair was given in these things? I can't say much.....Then Affirmative Action? There were famous court cases that brought down the effectiveness and Reagan pretty much stopped any movement on that front.

From what I read you are saying that we should just shut up and accept our lot. We've been offered all the possible avenues to improve ourselves and that if we haven't done it it is our fault? Thats incredible in itself. And as far as living well? The unemployment rate in the African American community is well over 30% is that equality of opportunity?

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From what I read you are saying that we should just shut up and accept our lot. We've been offered all the possible avenues to improve ourselves and that if we haven't done it it is our fault? Thats incredible in itself. And as far as living well? The unemployment rate in the African American community is well over 30% is that equality of opportunity?

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And there are a great many rich, white privileged people that pump gobs of money into poor under privileged minority communities.

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ORIGINAL:Thomsonx
Really????how many????

http://philanthropy.com/article/The-Philanthropy-50-Americans/64019/

Here's the top 50 individual donors of 2009.  That's just 50 out of countless people with money who donate.


We are able to count all of the people in this country but you have a pool that is countless of those who donate..your math skills are awesome.


 

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They are mostly white, some self made, mostly generational wealth.  Look at the numbers fucktard.

"Fucktard"??? Oh my but your mother did a fine job of expanding your vocabulary.
But...
In a discussion among adults name calling is not equal to actually answering a question

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Do they do it for free or do they get something back like tax breaks?


What under privileged person gives a fuck why someone is providing them charity?  Why do you?  What does it fucking matter?  You are an asshole.

I may be an asshole but you are ignorant...let me see if I can help disabuse you of a bit of your ignorance.
It is not about who cares it is the fact the donor has not given anything but has conned you into believing that they have done something nice.
Lets suppose you have a ton of money and your tax liaibility is x...you ,instead of paying your taxes you put that money into a trust and then use the interest of that trust to do charitable work...The taxman gets fucked out of his money...you get to keep your money. You get to employ all your cronies in your "charitable trust" which eats up the majority of the funds generated by the trust and at the same time you get to tell everyone you gave tons to charity.
That is the real world.
According to your polyanna concept, all the money these "fat cats" have given should have been enough to give everyone in our country a comfortable life...but as you can planly see that is not the case.

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The tax breaks they are getting are an example of our government inspiring those with to help those without.

 

As I have pointed out "those without" are still without.

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I'm not sure what your point is here?  That white people don't suck? I'm all for judging people on their individual merits, so sure.  Like I said I'm not sure what you're driving at here, but just in case it matters, whites also began slavery in America.  Sooooo yeah. Please enlighten me.

Just for interest sake - I'm pretty sure that the Native Americans (i hate that term) raided and kept slaves on the American continent way before the white man ever turned up on its shores.

So do they get money too?

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I have asked you two questions. I will ask again Silence

1) Where are the reparation talks for native americans?

Since we are talking about African slaves I fail to see the relevance unless it is just to misdirect the discussion

2) Where will the money come from and who will be entitled?

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From what I read you are saying that we should just shut up and accept our lot. We've been offered all the possible avenues to improve ourselves and that if we haven't done it it is our fault? Thats incredible in itself. And as far as living well? The unemployment rate in the African American community is well over 30% is that equality of opportunity?

No, you misread me completely. There is socio-economic disparity not racial disparity.

You do not find it curious that that socio-economic disparity is deliniated by "racial" lines?


The socio-economic disparity lies upon a foundation of devaluation of education by the students and their community which in turn is engendered by poverty. It is a vicious cycle but it is a disease that afflicts all races. The opportunities are available to those who get the education.
Some opportunities are available to some of those who get the education.

The education is available to those who want it.

Quality education is not always available to those who want it



Time to stop blaming the "system" for that.

Additionally, you asked for gestures and when I listed those that have already been made you tick them off disparagingly.

And accurately
So, I ask again other than a nebulous "change the system" wtf do you want? I think nothing will satisfy you except you can continue to bitch and moan.

I do not see his posts as bitching and moaning so much as a statement of reality...of course if pointing out that bigotry is alive and well is bitching and moaning in your reality then I can understand your your misconceptions.


What specifically do you think would make a difference and that is practical and doable?

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Reparations or something at least symbolic would help erase the disadvantages of being a Man of Color in this country for 400 years.

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It isn't 100% an issue of race. However, I'd still argue that it partly was.

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You do not find it curious that that socio-economic disparity is deliniated by "racial" lines?

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Some opportunities are available to some of those who get the education.

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Quality education is not always available to those who want it

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I do not see his posts as bitching and moaning so much as a statement of reality...of course if pointing out that bigotry is alive and well is bitching and moaning in your reality then I can understand your your misconceptions.

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I challenge you to show me how the same education is available for all. I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. From the moment a child reaches preschool to University there is no equality in opportunity. The deck is stacked against those children from lesser means or Children of color.

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I'd love if we'd revisit the time that this country took up the challenge of equality and fully fund the programs that were started. Fully fund Head Start. Stop the practice of using only local property taxes as a way to fund schools. Fund from a general pool. Monies split per student.

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Change testing to reflect different cultures rather than the total emphasis on the European culture.

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Create a medical system that doesn't punish the poor. Emphasize prevention not reaction.

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Those are just a few small things. I am sure they are much too "radical" for you and of course you'd rather say all I do is complain rather than see an actual problem. Don't worry you can stick your head back in the holes mr. ostrich. All is well....

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thompson, DYB made this comment:

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Reparations or something at least symbolic would help erase the disadvantages of being a Man of Color in this country for 400 years.

When I provided a list of outreach that was more than symbolic, he found reason to complain about each. That tells me he doesn't really know what he wants.

Your perception and others perception of the functional or symbolic results of those outreach programs would varry considerably don't you think?

Then he complains about cultural bias in college entrance exams without acknowledging (a) that efforts have been made to correct that problem, and (b) that college admissions long ago established point systems that minimised the impact of the tests and gave advantages to to Minority applicants.

If that were true then there would not be any misproportional representation in the institutions of higher learning.


Then he complains about public high school curricula and class ratios with a comparison to Choate which is a private co-educational, college prep, boarding schools. As if we weren't all disadvantaged when compared to Choate. Startling news that. Private money has advantages. Sheesh.

So you and he agree that money and priviledge tilts the playing field in favor of the rich.

Then there is the complaint about equal distribution of property taxes. In Florida at least Educational dollars are distributed statewide from the Capitol according to student population per County.

In most jusridictions in this country property taxes pay for schools so it would appear that Florida is an exception

Then he begins to walk it back with this comment:

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It isn't 100% an issue of race. However, I'd still argue that it partly was.

Now to your comments:

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You do not find it curious that that socio-economic disparity is deliniated by "racial" lines?

I think poor whites are overlooked in this debate. Children of all races fall below the poverty line.
Whites make up about 50% of this country and blacks make up about 13% but the number of poverty cases per ethinc group is disporportionate.
So your point that there are poor of all ethenicities is a little shallow.

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Some opportunities are available to some of those who get the education.

Your statement is just too vague to warrant an answer, T. Please give me specifics not broad generalizations. How is this not true regardless of skin color?

It was a general response to a general statement by yourself.

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Quality education is not always available to those who want it

That may be true but your comment carries the implication that it is a skin color problem.


Again if you look you will see that the socio-economic divide occures on the same ethnic lines

Quality learning is available to those communities that want it however. Education is not given. It is taken by those who value it and are motivated to obtain it. It is not a commodity to be purchased at the corner store. I believe the solution lies in community activism to mentor children and parents to reach out and grab the education that is available. Education has many venues in addition to schools. There are books, libraries, television and internet.

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I do not see his posts as bitching and moaning so much as a statement of reality...of course if pointing out that bigotry is alive and well is bitching and moaning in your reality then I can understand your your misconceptions.

Bigotry is a given. It is in the hearts of some. But I dispute that it is institutionalized any longer. I see too many successful Afro-Americans. Their success gives the fallacy to what you and DYB are arguing.

Finally, I will repeat my unanswered question:

"What specifically do you think would make a difference and that is practical and doable?"

If you have no answer to that you are just bitching and moaning.

I neglected to answer this question because it was not directed at me but now that you have asked me I will give my opiniot.
1. Those who are active bigots should stop.
2. Those who are pc bigots should stop.
3. Those who don't know what they are talking about should get a clue.
4. Treat everyone like they were really your kin.[/b

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I have asked you two questions. I will ask again Silence

1) Where are the reparation talks for native americans?

Since we are talking about African slaves I fail to see the relevance unless it is just to misdirect the discussion

2) Where will the money come from and who will be entitled?

They did not seem to have much trouble finding the bread for the bankers.