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Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 7:34:42 AM   
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This topic was inspired after reading a post started on 'Ask a Master' Its about a trauma and attempted suicide. I look at posts like that and normally choose not to join them. I'm perhaps a little cynical... is this genuine? or is it an attention whore trying to get some sympathy? How can I possibly know? how can I even start to guess and how much damage could I do with my words if I got it wrong? These threads are often way beyond me and far too risky to reply.

How do others feel about answering such threads?
Personally I believe we are capable of wounding deeply if we get it wrong and throw accusations at them saying otherwise.
Have you ever lay bare a trauma and been knocked and disbelieved? and if so how did that make you feel?
Do you believe that none of this is the real world and so saying what you think can't possibly be wounding? or don't you care?


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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 7:56:27 AM   
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I'm sure that all of the wankers on here are "deeply wounded" at getting laughed at and not played with here. They will have to find thier own porn.

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This topic was inspired after reading a post started on 'Ask a Master' Its about a trauma and attempted suicide. I look at posts like that and normally choose not to join them. I'm perhaps a little cynical... is this genuine? or is it an attention whore trying to get some sympathy? How can I possibly know? how can I even start to guess and how much damage could I do with my words if I got it wrong? These threads are often way beyond me and far too risky to reply.

How do others feel about answering such threads?
Personally I believe we are capable of wounding deeply if we get it wrong and throw accusations at them saying otherwise.
Have you ever lay bare a trauma and been knocked and disbelieved? and if so how did that make you feel?
Do you believe that none of this is the real world and so saying what you think can't possibly be wounding? or don't you care?



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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 7:56:40 AM   
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i am with you on this one Maria and also chose not to answer most threads of that type. i don't know if it is real or not, and i refuse to start believing that everyone is lying until they PROVE to me that they aren't. Sometimes i find the level of cynicism (sp?) today very tiring and depressing.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 8:02:17 AM   
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If you work under the assumption that people are crazy, it is hard to go wrong.

Add to that the tought of posting a deeply personal moment to a bunch of yahoo's in the internets, I think being cynical is a wise move.

If such things are true? I don't see how we can help, or really hurt

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 8:06:12 AM   
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I'd say that a certain level of cynicism is necessary on Internet forums in general. If you take everything people claim at face value, you're going to end up beliving an awful lot of bollocks most of the time.

That said, I generally don't bother replying to the kind of thread in question. There's always at least a minute chance it's genuine. More importantly, if it actually is a troll, by replying people are giving the troll exactly what they're looking for. I'm not averse to the occasional flame war myself, but at least I know that's what I'm doing. And I certainly don't try and present it as being some kind of public service.

I suspect some of the more zealous troll hunters on here are nowhere near as netsavvy as they think. "Don't feed the troll" isn't a hard concept to grasp. And certain people are undoubtably, to use the troll terminology, prime lolcows.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 8:11:04 AM   
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Whatever might motivate someone to lay out heavy personal drama in the forums, I assume they are doing so with an awareness of where they are. That amounts to implied consent in my book.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 8:35:36 AM   
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If a woman who regularly writes to these forums suddenly comes up with a past rape incident, she will likely be given sympathy.
If a woman who is new to these forums comes up with a rape incident, she will likely be told she's a liar.
It all depends on who you are, if your popular etc, etc.
If you haven't had your initiation ceremony then your probably some crazy wanking troll!!

Personally I don't know why people write about personal trauma on a site like this but we see a lot of it, even from the regular posters. I don't believe its insanity unless its all made up and I don't know if its been made up because I don't know them personally.... not even the regular posters.


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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 8:47:34 AM   
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I once hate a 5 day old arby's sandwich. I posted about it. Even though it had been refrigerated, it could have been very traumatic.

Since there seems to be no actual meat in an Arby's sandwhich, I survived unscathed.

I am pretty sure you can keep an arby's sandwich in your car for a week and it would stll be edible

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:01:16 AM   
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Personally I don't know why people write about personal trauma on a site like this but we see a lot of it, even from the regular posters.


one factor which shouldn't be forgotten is that "personal trauma" is everyones individual definition.

Aspects which used to be a trauma for me are by far not a trauma anymore these days...as for me some of the things experienced are just normal part of life for me now.

Like when I talked in the past at times with vanilla friends about here some of them were shocked big time...they would take this whole concept of lifestyle as way out of order and that this must cause trauma to the submissive or slave in that lifestyle...

therefore its a question to how it is viewed....

if something truly affected me and currently causes problems to me, e.g. such as a meeting which went wrong big time some years ago, I don't mention it on the board...I had some of the CM regulars who talked with me about it "behind the scenes" and that was a great help and they know who they are...however, other aspects of life were mentioned sometimes on the boards when it made sense to me to throw them in during a topic, and whilst they were likely to be traumatic for me at that time, or for others who witnessed it, it is not for me anymore by now...so therefore someone might name such aspects as traumatic...but for the person affecting it it might just be another part of their life...

also whilst some people are very secret abouth their lives...others aren't...e.g. whilst I watch at work what I am saying about my personal life...in my private life with friends or on the board there is not much where I feel the need to keep it closed, as there I am just me...

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:34:05 AM   
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I can' help thinking that this wouldn't be so much of a problem if people generally paid more attention to and spent more time working to develop and maintain meaningful friendships. By friendships here I mean people who accept you for you and you accept them for them, who you can contact without needing a valid reason, or an agenda, or a hidden motive to do so. The sort of friend who will listen to you without judgment, share your thoughts, feelings, emotions, offer their opinion or advice, but not take it personally if you choose not to take it.

That saying I understand that there's a lot of people either without friends or who don't feel that they can confide so much in their friends. There's an awful lot of people who when using the Internet put out an image, and that image often becomes a mask behind which they hide and in some ways a facade, and this facade can often extend beyond the Internet out into real life. When this happens people can become isolated, and often do, and quite often it's little more than pride or fear which prevents them from revealing what lies behind that image and facade and ending their personal isolation.

There's a considerable number of people who, for a considerable number of reasons, don't have much real time contact (or even any) with people they can call friends, some of them are here too, and their contact with the Internet is almost or all their social contact with people, and they can go weeks or even months without experiencing any social face to face contact with anyone else outside of their immediate family, their work colleagues and maybe either current or former relationship partners. On sites such as this one they may even have a social circle of friends but in compartmentalizing their lives they still may not have someone to talk to regarding this aspect of their lives. This can often be the case with people who are older or lower down in the social hierarchy.

I generally take people at face value on the Internet and will generally accept them for who they present themselves to be and accept what they say until there's a valid reason to believe otherwise. People are individuals and I generally believe that you don't start to get to know anyone until you start interacting with them on a one to one basis.

People tend to act out of their own self-interest which forms the reason and motivation behind whatever it is they do or say here on the Internet and I tend to look at that and try to determine the payoff or objective. Quite a lot of the time people come here to the Internet for attention - both positive and negative or some sort of external validation and these two reasons in themselves generate many if not most of the threads and posts we read here. But some people are looking for information, knowledge, guidance, help and emotional support as well, as well as the potential for further contact with other people.

In threads such as referred to in the OP I may respond, or I may not. I pay attention to how much responsibility the OP takes for the situation or circumstances they find themselves in and how they respond to the development of the thread. This is often a reliable indicator as to whether my input or contribution is going to be worthwhile or beneficial to someone involved on that thread or not. In cases where it is a personal problem or issue affecting the OP and I have contributed to that thread I am also usually open to more private one to one contact with the OP or others to give them that opportunity to take whatever problem they're experiencing off the boards into some sort of interaction.

Personally I don't bring my personal problems to the boards because I don't see much difference between doing that and announcing it publicly to passers-by on the street and I have people who are close to me who I feel can turn to.

Nor do I make a difference between the Internet and the 'real world', because to me there is no difference, it's all communication between real, living human beings and words can offend, hurt and wound just as effectively on an Internet message board as they can spoken to someone's face. In any communication with other people I share responsibility for that communication and thus give due thought, consideration and attention to all that I am communicating.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:34:21 AM   
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I try not to answer those threads unless there is something in there which strikes a personal chord for me. Generally if that is the case I might offer some sympathy on forum and get a reply via email. I DO think that some people enjoy the whine a bit too much. I mean how many times does it take to learn? There are a few here with patterns they cannot seem to break. I have more than a few of those on ignore. Is it cynicism for me to recognize a pattern of behavior and avoid being drawn in to the pit? But... I do have a logical and sadist side. There are times when I see the same sort of question from someone and well.. it's either slap them silly or vent some annoyance at their inability to get real. And I can't physically slap them.

when newbies ask simple things like "this dom I met has ordered me to get undressed, put my cuffs on and leave the door unlocked", it is not something I will avoid. That is not cynical.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:40:10 AM   
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I consider those who are adults and post on public forms to be providing informed consent regarding any responses that follow.  If they are unprepared for the fall out, I do not consider it my problem.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:44:09 AM   
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That's my girl!

Can I get you an arby's?

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:45:58 AM   
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I just found out I have an aneurysm in my brain and since I can't afford medical care, I want to have this guy I met in a chatroom operate on me but he hasn't done it before, can anyone help us do this surgery?


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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:49:02 AM   
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I think you are on target on this. Popularity wins every time.

I do understand the need to shout it out to strangers. Way back as a victim of rape, it was about.. oh.. one year later I spoke about that incident on some talk radio show. I could not write it. I could not tell my family. I could only hide it inside a painting or cut it into my flesh. I needed to scream it out and that radio show was one of those counselling sort of things, so i called.

I equate this place to talk radio, dr phil, or anywhere else where people are not really doling out counsel. Here, everything is an opinion, in their own view, or the hated "to me" position. If I post something personal and someone comments on it I have to be able to handle criticism. It is no different than putting it up in an editorial column, people will have their views. If I could not handle that there is no freakin way I would put something personal up that might end up being mocked.

I find part of doing this stuff we do, is learning to handle the negative without curling up into a ball.


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If a woman who regularly writes to these forums suddenly comes up with a past rape incident, she will likely be given sympathy.
If a woman who is new to these forums comes up with a rape incident, she will likely be told she's a liar.
It all depends on who you are, if your popular etc, etc.




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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:50:16 AM   
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I just found out I have an aneurysm in my brain and since I can't afford medical care, I want to have this guy I met in a chatroom operate on me but he hasn't done it before, can anyone help us do this surgery?




Yes I can. Go turn your web cam on and I can giude someone in IM.



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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 9:53:35 AM   
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quote:

Can I get you an arby's?


Why yes, that cheddar cheese beef sandwich, served on an onion roll, sans the arby's sauce, ty Sir


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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 10:05:56 AM   
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quote:

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I just found out I have an aneurysm in my brain and since I can't afford medical care, I want to have this guy I met in a chatroom operate on me but he hasn't done it before, can anyone help us do this surgery?




Yes I can. Go turn your web cam on and I can giude someone in IM.




I need to get approval from my protector council, they don't have a forum as one of them is out protecting a girls rectum.

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 10:19:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I just found out I have an aneurysm in my brain and since I can't afford medical care, I want to have this guy I met in a chatroom operate on me but he hasn't done it before, can anyone help us do this surgery?




Yes I can. Go turn your web cam on and I can giude someone in IM.




I need to get approval from my protector council, they don't have a forum as one of them is out protecting a girls rectum.


She's "under constipation". 

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RE: Is it ok to be cynical? - 4/24/2010 10:25:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz


This topic was inspired after reading a post started on 'Ask a Master' Its about a trauma and attempted suicide. I look at posts like that and normally choose not to join them. I'm perhaps a little cynical... is this genuine? or is it an attention whore trying to get some sympathy? How can I possibly know? how can I even start to guess and how much damage could I do with my words if I got it wrong? These threads are often way beyond me and far too risky to reply.

How do others feel about answering such threads?
Personally I believe we are capable of wounding deeply if we get it wrong and throw accusations at them saying otherwise.
Have you ever lay bare a trauma and been knocked and disbelieved? and if so how did that make you feel?
Do you believe that none of this is the real world and so saying what you think can't possibly be wounding? or don't you care?




I made a comment about this on the thread you reference...  I stayed out of it until I read not one but two posts that basicly called the woman a liar.  Have people become so dehumanized here that someone's trauma whether real or imagined is cause to treat them in such a cruel manner?  Are we so afraid of being duped that we lash out so we don´t get taken in?

There are people who don´t have anyone to talk to... or they´re afraid of the reactions they will get, or they´re ashamed of what has happened, or they genuinely think that their story will help another from experiencing the same thing.  Should they be ridiculed and called a liar?

Are people who are in the lifestyle so protective of it and the reputation it may get if negative things are discussed that they immediately make someone look foolish for having a bad experience?

Yes, I´m aware that this isn´t going to be a very popular comment, but ffs show a little humanity to those who are more foolish or less experienced then you may be.


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