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domiguy -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:18:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


As I've mentioned in these forums before, I saw an alien craft early one morning, and I am a believer.




I think you might have seen this...

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Sanity -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:28:13 PM)


What I saw is known as a 'fast walker" or a craft that moves extremely fast, almost like light. Initially it was very close to me, and it was big and very bright. It hovered, then moved, then hovered, then moved, three times. Then it shot off to the north, and it was gone.




jlf1961 -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:32:33 PM)

Arizona passed a law that will handle this problem.




Sanity -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:32:50 PM)



Like a ship that generations live out their lives on, yes. I'd imagine they would also have other ships associated with it for scouting missions, along with other specialty ships for engineering tasks needed to habilitate virgin planets.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Do you mean like a globe or a ship that has hydroponics and breeding animals and such?




domiguy -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:42:44 PM)

hydroponics?...Before you saw the ship did you see any of this?

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Sanity -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:48:56 PM)


Not that morning, I was on my way to work.




ShaharThorne -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 8:55:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

hydroponics?...Before you saw the ship did you see any of this?

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Not until I was 25..I was a virgin about drugs then...




JonnieBoy -> RE: They really do exist... (4/26/2010 10:32:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

So. . . where is the mathematical analysis on whether or not the aliens would be dangerous? 


In his clever head, so start buying tin foil and protect yourself just in case they swap YOUR brain for mine (which could be fun)

Pirate




DomKen -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 1:13:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I have read that there is some new thinking regarding the radio signals we've been sending out. The new idea holds that radio waves dissipate and become part of the background static hiss so quickly that all our efforts to contact extraterrestrial life with such methods were basically hopeless.

It's not really new thinking. Just apply the known rules of radio wave propogation. Since the radio signal spreads in a sphere from the point of broadcast the signal strength decreases by the cube of the distance traveled.

Anyway our radio signals are at most about 120 light years out there, Tesla and Marconi were working on wireless telegraphs in the 1890's. Considering that the Milky Way is roughly 100,000 light years in diameter our first very faint signals have reached far less than 1% of the galaxy. It wasn't till 1920 that commercial broadcast began so that shrinks the sphere down to 80 light years. While I'm in agreement with Hawking that intelligence is out there I seriously doubt it is so common that there is another intelligence within 80 light years.




SaintIntensity -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 1:32:01 AM)

You can't trust Hawking - he has his own alien invasion agenda - as the BBC so cleverly revealed years ago



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Termyn8or -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 2:09:19 AM)

Hawkins is right, they most likely do exist, but have they discovered us yet ? Doubtful because of the extreme number of variables. First of all is distance and the probable density of intelligent species'. This makes it doubtful.

But even thinking that they are aware of us assumes quite a few things. The first of which is the assumption that they have technology at all. People did and can exist without it, and as much as it seems unlikely to most of "us", they could have an advanced society and have a great life without technology.

Another assumption is that they see and hear similarly to us. If not, our signals truly would be considered noise. Would even that amalgamation of all out TV signals with those constant frequencies, which are basically the refresh rate be considered as a visual transmission by beings that have a very short persistence of vision, even if they can see as we do ?

And even if they can somehow pick out one radio signal among all the others, let's say one is stronger and separtely detectable, will they recognize it as language ? And if the did they would have to decipher it from square one, with absolutely nothing to go on. Think about how we learn language and give that some grey matter.

Even if all the other unassumable variables are on the mark, they do see and hear as we do, they have technology and so forth, who says that they have any desire for space exploration or even ever thought of building a radio telescope ? No matter how advanced they may be, is it a logical assumtion that they look up into the sky and want to go there as we do ?

I used to be a Trekkie, and it all started when I was seven years old. Even then I began to question all the assumptions made. One is that there is a propensity for life to develop into a somewhat humanoid form. That is highly debatable to say the least. What kept me into it was the powerful plots, and things were taken for granted. That's the show, if you don't like it change the channel, but Dad would've killed me. There were no VCRs and it was time for us kids to shut the fuck up or get out.

Sometimes it amazes me how many can swallow such a body of nassumptions when they are cognizant of the multitude of different like forms on this planet alone. They even found things that can live in boiling water under the sea. Certain microorganisms can withstand a vacuum, or being hit with gamma rays that would fry us in a millsecond, Even cockroaches can survive a microwave oven, and somewhere near the Darwin award zone it has been proven that kittens (mammals) cannot.

In fact given the variety of species' on this planet it is more likely that alien life would be like insects, just more intelligent than ours (we assume). They are stronger than most mammals by orders of magnitude, and can survive conditions that we can't even fathom.

What's more the laws of physics dictate that on any planet with a stronger gravity than ours can only support life that is either incredibly strong, and/or much smaller than us.

It is by the law of logic, highly probable, almost for sure that there is life out there. But there is simply too much assumption going on as to it's form and traits. If we ever really get out there we have no idea what we will find. Neither would they.

T




thompsonx -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 12:15:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

Sine is Opposite over Hypotenuse, Cosine is Adjacent over Hypotenuse, and Tangent is Opposite over Adjacent



So true[8|]




Termyn8or -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 3:46:00 PM)

FR

Y'know it is against federal law to have contact with extraterrestrials.

T




thompsonx -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 4:01:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

Y'know it is against federal law to have contact with extraterrestrials.

T



Is the first offense a felony or a misdomeanor?




Termyn8or -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 4:26:55 PM)

FR

"telegraphs in the 1890's"

Just what would they even get out of that ? They have nothing to go on about the code nor the language it represents.

Really, I think they would just consider it noise.

What's more, to actually decipher just one radio signal from the rest would require one hell of alot of technology. I can't fathom it being done without a very advanced antenna using phased array technology and some sort of radio lens parked in their orbit. They would pretty much get a blip. How would they learn the language based on that ? The only other way would be to park the antenna in space, not necessarily in their orbit.

They might pick up an SOS signal and notice it disappearing all the sudden. But how would they know it is SOS and not ^&^ ?

T




thompsonx -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 4:48:30 PM)

Really, I think they would just consider it noise.

Aren't paterns what distinguishes noise from data.
Code is definitely paterns.
I should think that any society that is as advanced as ours would be listening. No I am not assuming that our society is particularly advanced.
My point being that once you reach a modest level of sophistication it would only make sence to look outward.




Termyn8or -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 5:34:24 PM)

OK, I admit we have one example that supports your conclusion, got any more ?

Noone on this planet could ever hope to concieve of all the variables.

T




thompsonx -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 5:58:19 PM)

Why do I need more?




Termyn8or -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 6:54:16 PM)

Because no matter what your intelligence level you are looking at it from a human perspective when the subject is not humans.

I'll resort to fiction to illustrate. Star Trek, Gene Rodenberry. In the beginning I had to stipulate whatever it was because everyone spoke English. Later they handled that problem with the universal translator. Then, for some reason Star Fleet HQ as well as the academy were on Earth. Now we weren't the first to have warp technology. As the story goes, the Vulcans discovered us because of Cochran who "invented" the technology. And at least 80% of the captains of all the ships in Star Fleet were human.

So in essence, all of this is thinking could be termed terracentric. Now in contrast there is Herbert. The Dune series barely mentions Earth, IIRC is was a myth yet undiscovered. However many of the centient beings were humanoid. Why ?

The humanoid form is quite fragile even compared to most life forms on Earth. Yet "we" still think that way despite the evidence to the contrary. And that is still assuming that other species' somehow resemble some species on this planet. That is an assumption.

Considering things on this planet "we" still have trouble seeing things objectively, and that amidst literally a sea of evidence. To take an objective approach about the possible form an extraterrtrial life form might take is beyond most people's comprehension. At present we can measure certain things about other planets, in some cases their mass, or at least volume. Mass can be determined with a telescope with high enough resolution by back figuring it, provided it has natural satellites*. But we have no idea of the atmosphere's makeup. We can't say for sure that the life is even carbon based and dependent upon oxygen. We don't know how much water is there. We don't know anything about any ecosystem other than our own, and we don't even know everything about that. The physiology of any life form that manages to survive is based on their environment and ability to adapt. Who knows to what they had to adapt ?

Nobody. We assume.

*that can be determined by the distance and orbital velocity of those satellites, their mass is irrelevant unless it is quite massive. But all that really gets us is the relative G force when it comes to their environment(s). This can indicate whether or not it can hold an atmoshpere but does not tell what is in that atmosphere. That can only be partially estimated, mainly by surface temperature. Not very exact to say the least.

T




DomKen -> RE: They really do exist... (4/27/2010 11:24:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

"telegraphs in the 1890's"

Just what would they even get out of that ? They have nothing to go on about the code nor the language it represents.

Really, I think they would just consider it noise.

I didn't say they would understand it. It would be detectable from background noise though. IIRC those early morse code transmitters sent square waves. Repeating series of square waves is not caused by anything natural we know of.

Realistically even our audio broadcasts are likely to be of much use to aliens. TV, especially digital TV, is much easier to decipher and assuming the leap is made that it represents an image it is entirely possible that they could produce a viewer to at least see the video.




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