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pahunkboy -> Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:38:16 PM)

With all the educated people here- per haps someone could show me who owns the Federal Reserve.


I express an idea. Someone demands a link.  Then my link is not good enough.
People ask for proof then do not bother to review it.

Being that TARP was a take over of government- and that YOU still owe your households share of TARP, how do you figure you will pay it?

Being that we have nothing but "gotcha"  lawmakers- written by high powered corporations,  explain to me how YOU are not a debt slave.  That you home, job and retirement are secure.

The best explanation may even convince me that I am all wrong.




SohCahToa -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:39:12 PM)

China




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:40:08 PM)

Who owns the Federal Reserve?
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm#5




jlf1961 -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:41:15 PM)

Tazzy, that is NOT what Hunky says




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:50:25 PM)

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/fhc/#pagetop

J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. New York, New York New York
Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.,The New York, New York New York




SohCahToa -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:57:32 PM)

New York, New York, New York, so good they named it thrice.




kittinSol -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 3:58:35 PM)

Zion.




SohCahToa -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:02:08 PM)

What that underground cave of people from The Matrix?




DCWoody -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:03:36 PM)

Shock horror, a large collection of banks turn out to be owned by bankers. And here were we thinking they were subdivisions of Tesco.

As I understand it, the federal reserve is essentially a group of banks (many different companies, owned by different people) taking ocassional orders from some guy/board appointed by president.
While it's a fairly unusual system, that doubtless provides some degree of profit to the member banks, it's ultimately under government control, no more helping out businesses than most areas of american government, and there's nothing suspicious/illuminatiesque about it. I know this, purely from being exposed to rants by delusional americans....not from hearing any kind of official explanation.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:12:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/fhc/#pagetop

J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. New York, New York New York
Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.,The New York, New York New York


hunk... read carefully.

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

Now, is there something in the above passage that you dont understand?




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:15:44 PM)

LMAO.

Not for profit?

LOL.

The fed was voted in 12-23, by 3 congressmen.  2 voted for it- 1 against.

I assure you it is for profit.




Jeffff -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:18:16 PM)

Wait... I know the answer to this.....just gimme a second...


It's the Jews right?.....no?....... The NWO?.... can I get a hint?

I was sure it was the Jews




jlf1961 -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:18:19 PM)

Tazzy, God could tell hunk the same thing and he would call God a liar.

You forget that Hunk is entangled up to his eyeballs in the web that Realone has woven and as such became real's sock puppet.

Hunk is no longer capable of original thought, every one he has needs to be approved by Real.




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:20:11 PM)

...Ron Paul then I suppose ruined the Ron Paul movement. 




rulemylife -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:24:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

LMAO.

Not for profit?

LOL.

The fed was voted in 12-23, by 3 congressmen.  2 voted for it- 1 against.

I assure you it is for profit.



Don't assure us, provide some proof.

As in real facts and numbers, not what Alex or Bob said.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:34:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

LMAO.

Not for profit?

LOL.

The fed was voted in 12-23, by 3 congressmen.  2 voted for it- 1 against.

I assure you it is for profit.



To continue your education... the twelve banks are required to purchase stock..l and are paid a 6% interest rate, to ensure their fair dealings with the Main Bank. Since each bank has a vested interest, then compliance is better assured.




pahunkboy -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:39:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

LMAO.

Not for profit?

LOL.

The fed was voted in 12-23, by 3 congressmen.  2 voted for it- 1 against.

I assure you it is for profit.



Don't assure us, provide some proof.

As in real facts and numbers, not what Alex or Bob said.



We could start with an audit of the Federal Reserve.

GEE.  

They wont allow that.  HMM.




jlf1961 -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 4:43:04 PM)

Hunky, if you ever posted an original thought and not a repeat of various things real has said in the past, I would probably look for the second coming of Christ.




Real0ne -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 5:07:51 PM)


a quick goog turned this up


Not Private and Not for Profit?

The Fed's website insists that it is not a private corporation, is not operated for profit, and is not funded by Congress. But is that true? The Federal Reserve was set up in 1913 as a "lender of last resort" to backstop bank runs, following a particularly bad bank panic in 1907. The Fed's mandate was then and continues to be to keep the private banking system intact; and that means keeping intact the system's most valuable asset, a monopoly on creating the national money supply. Except for coins, every dollar in circulation is now created privately as a debt to the Federal Reserve or the banking system it heads. The Fed's website attempts to gloss over its role as chief defender and protector of this private banking club, but let's take a closer look. The website states:

* "The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations - possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year."

* "[The Federal Reserve] is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms."
* "The Federal Reserve's income is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations. . . . After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury."
So let's review:

1. The Fed is privately owned.

Its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.

2. The fact that the Fed does not get "appropriations" from Congress basically means that it gets its money from Congress without congressional approval, by engaging in "open market operations."

Here is how it works: When the government is short of funds, the Treasury issues bonds and delivers them to bond dealers, which auction them off. When the Fed wants to "expand the money supply" (create money), it steps in and buys bonds from these dealers with newly-issued dollars acquired by the Fed for the cost of writing them into an account on a computer screen. These maneuvers are called "open market operations" because the Fed buys the bonds on the "open market" from the bond dealers. The bonds then become the "reserves" that the banking establishment uses to back its loans. In another bit of sleight of hand known as "fractional reserve" lending, the same reserves are lent many times over, further expanding the money supply, generating interest for the banks with each loan. It was this money-creating process that prompted Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1960s, to call the Federal Reserve "a total money-making machine." He wrote:

"When the Federal Reserve writes a check for a government bond it does exactly what any bank does, it creates money, it created money purely and simply by writing a check."

3. The Fed generates profits for its shareholders.
The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed's operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered "for profit" corporations.

In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their "reserves." The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in "reserve" can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H. puts the total "loans and leases in bank credit" as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually - this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.

The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks' interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers' -- for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.

Time to Change the Statute?

According to the Fed's website, the control Congress has over the Federal Reserve is limited to this:
"[T]he Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute."

As we know from watching the business news, "oversight" basically means that Congress gets to see the results when it's over. The Fed periodically reports to Congress, but the Fed doesn't ask; it tells. The only real leverage Congress has over the Fed is that it "can alter its responsibilities by statute." It is time for Congress to exercise that leverage and make the Federal Reserve a truly federal agency, acting by and for the people through their elected representatives. If the Fed can demand AIG's stock in return for an $85 billion loan to the mega-insurer, we can demand the Fed's stock in return for the trillion-or-so dollars we'll be advancing to bail out the private banking system from its follies.

If the Fed were actually a federal agency, the government could issue U.S. legal tender directly, avoiding an unnecessary interest-bearing debt to private middlemen who create the money out of thin air themselves. Among other benefits to the taxpayers. a truly "federal" Federal Reserve could lend the full faith and credit of the United States to state and local governments interest-free, cutting the cost of infrastructure in half, restoring the thriving local economies of earlier decades.

Ellen Brown, J.D., developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In Web of Debt, her latest book, she turns those skills to an analysis of the Federal Reserve and "the money trust." She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Who_Owns_Federal_Reserve%3F.html




tazzygirl -> RE: Who owns the Federal Reserve? (4/25/2010 5:18:17 PM)

Her only financial book. The rest, to date, have been about medicine.




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