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this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 6:05:36 PM   
gungadin09


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Status: offline 		i receive daily affirmations from my relatives on facebook. This was today's:

"We live in an age of sloppy dress, sloppy manners, and regretably, sloppy morals. For some unexplained reason, the false notion that sexual morality is unreasonably hard-- too hard for the men and women of today to be expected to adhere to- is promoted constantly. The irony of the alternative is apparently lost on its advocates. The unbridled behavior leading to immorality is actually a harder choice than is the restraint required by sexual purity. Infidelity, promiscuity, and sexual indulgence, in all their forms, come trailing a host of ills: life threatening disease, the insecurity of sexual involvement without commitment, or even without love, in many cases, the deterioration of one's feelings of value and self-worth, the breach of personal integrity, the threat of unwanted pregnancy, and so on. Morality requires discipline, yes. But it a little personal restraint more difficult than any of the aforementioned consequences? No clear thinking person would insist that it is."

i can't wait for the family reunion.
pam

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 6:10:53 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		ok I'm confused. Maybe I'm just a prude but I find many of those words to be appropriate.

Just because I enjoy bdsm doesn't mean my morals are loose or that I indulge in the things listed in that quote.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 6:14:13 PM   
rajaa


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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 6:19:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's so terrible about caring for the people you bone?  I'm not able to have "no strings" sex.  I know.  A woman I slept with one time, in 2007, IM'ed me out of the blue two days ago, to ask me what a technical term meant.  I felt so tender toward her, it surprised me.  I wish I could hold her right now.

What's so strange about being moral and kinky at the same time?  I bet you those upstanding Mormons, within the confines of their marriage beds, are royally sick fucks.


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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 6:37:09 PM   
DarkSteven


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Status: offline 		Mormonism has a very strong maledom component to it.

pam, I'll be happy to adopt you anytime!

/Begins studying how to speak Mormonics to put pam at ease/


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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 6:42:02 PM   
AllLockedUp


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Status: offline 		My question is, If that is YOUR belief, then WHY are you here on THIS site? If it isn't your belief, then why would you post such nonsense?

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 7:48:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

ok I'm confused. Maybe I'm just a prude but I find many of those words to be appropriate.

Just because I enjoy bdsm doesn't mean my morals are loose or that I indulge in the things listed in that quote.


I agree.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 8:44:09 PM   
gungadin09


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Status: offline 		Sorry, i did not mean to imply that morals are silly and stupid, or that Mormons are, although i've seen a few in my day. i grew up in a very strict Mormon household. i was a practicing Mormon until i was 18, although i stopped believing in God at 15. It wasn't something i could talk to my parents about, so i went on pretending for a long time, trying to be the good daughter. i guess at some point i started resenting being preached at, or told what to think. i resented the social pressure to say i believed things that i really didn't, just to avoid scaring people or hurting their feelings. i also resented the uptight attitude and what i feel is a closedmindedness towards anyone who's different. i grew up feeling that it wasn't okay to be myself. When i finally told my dad i didn't want to go to church anymore, he punched a hole in my wall.

However, i realise that Mormons make easy targets, and what i said is sort of a cheap shot. That quote makes me uncomfortable. i guess that's because i see in it an implied judgement about myself and my way of life. i'm a freak, in general. i've only been involved in BDSM for a few months, but it's been years since i went to any family reunions, mainly because i feel judged and disapproved of. This may be because my own hang ups, my own sense of insecurity. But i believe that most of my Mormon relatives are silly and narrowminded, if very nice people. i'm glad not everyone agrees with me. It's good to hear alternative points of view. Anyway, thanks to everyone for responding to my post.
pam

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 9:01:45 PM   
UniqueRaven


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Status: offline 		What i hear more is that you are judging yourself, based upon the belief structure of your friends and family.

i was raised strict Baptist.  My mother still rolls her eyes when i drink a glass of wine, let alone what she might do if she found out i'm a slave.  But i don't let it bother me.  i love her, and the rest of my family, and i am absolutely happy spending time with her and them.

If you stop judging yourself, it doesn't really matter what others think - and then you can get around to the important stuff of loving people and accepting them as they are.

Btw, i've had quite a few strict Mormon men write me here on CM over the months - i bet there are more kinksters in your family's faith then you think. 

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 10:33:22 PM   
hardbodysub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp

My question is, If that is YOUR belief, then WHY are you here on THIS site? If it isn't your belief, then why would you post such nonsense?


Ummm... it looks pretty obvious to me that she's posting because she DOESN'T believe in it, and she's either just venting with a little sarcasm included, or looking for a little support from the rest of us. As long as we're not clueless.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 4/25/2010 11:19:02 PM   
leadership527


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gungadin09
That quote makes me uncomfortable.
Really? I don't think it should. Like a lot of the previous posters, I can identify with it just fine. Well, to be fair, who knows what "sexual indulgence in all it's forms" might mean. But what I know is that by my own standards, I am a good man. I'm perfectly content to stand up in front of any deity and give an accounting for myself. Are you?

I'm gonna have to go with UniqueRaven on this one.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/1/2010 5:33:16 PM   
gungadin09


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Status: offline 		Okay, i realise this is a pretty cheap shot at the Mormons, but here goes:

more quotes from Facebook:
...
"Let me just first say that it honestly and truly grieves my heart to share such warped and twisted perversions. I am not going to sit idly by; passive to the corruption and abominations that surround me.

When a book entitled, "How to Have Sex With Children," was confiscated by the Chicago police, several demonstrations marched in protest, insisting that pornographers should have unlimited priveledges. But neither prayer nor a creationist view is allowed in the classroom! I've said it once and I will say it again, thanks to the 'civil liberties' fanatics, pornographers enjoy expansive first amendment protection-- while first graders in a nativity play are said to be in violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States!

NO LAW IS NEUTRAL! Every law imposes some form of morality on society. Abortionists impose their morality on the unborn. Homosexuals want their views flaunted in the public school classrooms. Atheists want religious influence excluded from public life. Some politicians, in an attempt to remain "neutral" on such issues as abortion and sidestep the flak say they are personally opposed to abortion but would never "impose their values on society." If so, how does this sound? "I personally would never gas a Jew, but I have no right to impose my moral judgement on the Nazis... I don't think the courts have the right to reach into someone's private gas chamber and legislate morality."

The question is not whether the public will allow religion to "impose its morality on America". MORALITY WILL BE IMPOSED. The real question is: WHOSE MORALITY WILL BE LEGISLATED?
...

For the record, i think the protection the First Amendment gives us is a good thing. Our 'civil liberties' are what allows the author of this statement to express her views so eloquently on Facebook, without fear of retaliation. They are also what allows me, here, to freely disagree with her.
pam

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/1/2010 5:38:17 PM   
ThatDaveGuy69


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Status: offline 		I've always felt the word "mormon" had one too many m's in the middle.
Of course, YMMV.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/1/2010 6:07:42 PM   
playfulotter


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Status: offline 		I have no religion myself at the age of 50 but both my brothers have chosen one..but as a young child in Huntington Beach California the neighbors across the street took me under their wing teaching me the books of the bible etc on family night..i was about seven years old.....they were Mormons..They never told my mother about this and what did I know..back then we kids just ran around the neighborhood at night..it was a safe era..well they were going to have me baptized as a Mormon but I got a bad cold and couldn't go and my mother found out about it at that point....I laugh when I think about it now...My cousin though married one of the brothers in that family and became a Mormon...This is my only reference point about them but i my mind...they can be sneaky!

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/1/2010 6:55:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Morality is hard to adhere to, yeah.  So they marry their kids off when they're still in their teens or early 20's, all nice and tidy.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/1/2010 11:03:18 PM   
sweetsub1957


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i'm not mormon, but i do agree w/ some of this. Just because i'm kinky it doesn't mean i'm "loose."

quote:

ORIGINAL: gungadin09
"We live in an age of sloppy dress, sloppy manners, and regretably, sloppy morals.
Yes, some people are sloppy.
For some unexplained reason, the false notion that sexual morality is unreasonably hard-- too hard for the men and women of today to be expected to adhere to- is promoted constantly.
Who said it was easy? But more than that, each person has to choose what he/she considers to be moral/immoral. i'm not about to tell someone else how to live.
The irony of the alternative is apparently lost on its advocates. The unbridled behavior leading to immorality is actually a harder choice than is the restraint required by sexual purity. Infidelity, promiscuity, and sexual indulgence, in all their forms, come trailing a host of ills: life threatening disease, the insecurity of sexual involvement without commitment, or even without love, in many cases, the deterioration of one's feelings of value and self-worth, the breach of personal integrity, the threat of unwanted pregnancy, and so on.
Yes, i do agree that indulging in sex willy nilly can sometimes be risky and cause a lot of complications.
Morality requires discipline, yes. But is a little personal restraint more difficult than any of the aforementioned consequences?
i guess that depends upon who you're asking.


~sweetsub~

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/2/2010 1:09:51 AM   
sunshinemiss


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Status: offline 		Hi Pam:

quote:

However, i realise that Mormons make easy targets, and what i said is sort of a cheap shot. That quote makes me uncomfortable. i guess that's because i see in it an implied judgement about myself and my way of life. i'm a freak, in general. i've only been involved in BDSM for a few months, but it's been years since i went to any family reunions, mainly because i feel judged and disapproved of. This may be because my own hang ups, my own sense of insecurity. But i believe that most of my Mormon relatives are silly and narrowminded, if very nice people. i'm glad not everyone agrees with me. It's good to hear alternative points of view. Anyway, thanks to everyone for responding to my post.
pam




This part really took a lot of chutzpah to write. It's impressive taht you did, that you took responsibility for what you did and were honest about it making you uncomfortable. If someone in my family posted something like that on my facebook, I'd be uncomfortable, too. But not for the reason some may think. To me, it is not *personal*. It is the opposite of what you just did. It is sermonizing. Also, I have younger people who read my facebook page. They are important people in my life, and I sure don't want that level of disertation on my page. I suppose it could be a place to bring up discussion. Hmmmm (even if you are going to set a bad example at least be a very good bad example).

At the end of the day, facebook is an impersonal, informal place to express myself. It's not a lecture hall. I don't pay attention to religious or political stuff people put on my facebook. I just don't. You want to have a discussion with me, cool. But don't lecture me.


And hey, some of my favorite people are Mormons... come on, you know it people. I'm a go watch some youtube Osmonds... Love me for a reason, let the reason be love.

Good luck with dealing with these dueling sides of yourself. Just so you know, you don't have to give up one for the other. You don't have to separate yourself from those you love or your heritage.

Best,
sunshine

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/2/2010 6:12:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP - my parents are what i would call strict Catholic. They also love me and i love them, abet from half a world away! They don't approve of my life choices - specifically, living with a man to whom i am not married. Infact, my mum told me that if we came and visited we would be in seperate bedrooms (i'm 52 )

But, when i see them, we don't concentrate on our differences - we concentrate on our shared history, and family, and i get no sense of disapproval. They disapprove of the way i choose to live - but not me. I'm also secure in myself. I'm a good person, i'm a moral person and that is all that matters to me.

If you are a bit conflicted about your family, you may be sensing vibs that aren't really there - or maybe they are, but you don't have to react to them. You can enjoy your family without agreeing with what they believe.

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/2/2010 7:35:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		WOW - all that from a bunch that hides lube in barn?

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RE: this is my mormon family... - 5/2/2010 7:51:15 AM   
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While I think there is some flaw in the "church culture" that pushes some excesses in the LDS church members. I honestly think that they are some of the most outstanding folks in the entire world and I feel much more comfortable with most of them then with most of the rest of the world.

I'm more sexually liberal than they and obviously I still practice polyamory while they have disowned the practice, but ultimately I align myself much closer to them than most. They believe in seeking after knowledge and in moderation of all things. They preach good principles of staying out of debt and being a good citizen of the world. All combined, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Even if you didn't believe in God, the principles standing alone from deism are still worthwhile.

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