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do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 6:03:19 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		 this girl and another slave friend of her's were wondering if our Masters' were aware of the reactions we have when They tell us to behave in a manner we find difficult, when we are in Their presance we are respectful, obediant and completely submissive, we will always do as we are told with grace and dignity, even though we sometimes have to bite our tongues and sit on our hands. when we are told to do something, we do it with a spring in our steps and smiles on our faces.
 do They think we sit quietly in a corner contemplating our submission, when They are not about, or do They know we punch holes in the walls while cussing Them at the top of our lungs?
 just courious.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 6:11:56 PM   
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this girl and another slave friend of her's were wondering if our Masters' were aware of the reactions we have when They tell us to behave in a manner we find difficult,


They should know your true reactions...unless you are not communicating them fully.

The onus is on you, as a sub, to be as open and honest as you can be. If a dominant is not aware of your true feelings, it's time for you to look deeply at why that may be.

It certianly doesn't seem a healthy thing to be sitting around brooding and resentful. Submission should bring you peace. Maybe not in every minute but on the whole.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 6:32:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! Why do you submit to things you hate - that make you want to punch holes in walls etc.? i like being sub because it lets me be who i am. If i want to put a phoney smile on my face and hold my tongue, hey i'll work for corporate amerika.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 6:40:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		this one wonders ,, your name says slave, and not only slave, but Gor slave, so what are you doing as a Gorean slave if you are not happy in total and absolute slavery in all things?  for herself, this girl has been owned once, but never wanted to punch walls, perhaps sometimes was not pleased with the request, but when it was over and He was happy, girl was ecstatic and did not question ....

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 6:48:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, they know NOW. ;-)

Unless you or someone else tells them or they see it on the sly, chances are, they don't know. Master are great, but we're not totally psychic.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 6:52:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I suppose there are times I miss the blatant disrespect....behind my back, however I have never kept a submissive from telling me what he feels. Communication is key in a good relationship.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 7:21:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not being truly knowledgeable about Gorean life.All I can offer to this is,I am sure there are times,and ways a kajira can communicate her frustrations to her Master.It certainly would be better than one day explosively vomiting upon his head all your frustrations,anger,and resentments....be well...tempting

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 7:30:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ask, through out the day, how they feel. I ask about thier mind what is on it. At the end of the day, Wwe have an hour or so of just open, free talk and discuss everything. If I feel there is somthing that is being held back from Me, I search for it and draw it out. The final discussion for the day is open but kept respectful, for Me- anything can be said so long as it is said respectfully. Communication is to important in a relationship.  The relastionship is to important not to communicate. ~BK~

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 7:40:43 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		c'mon people.
 we are happy and we are content in our slavery, we do the things our Masters' require of us and if we didnt desire to be pushed to the edge, we wouldnt have chosen to live this lifestyle.
 regardless of that... we are human beings and we behave in a human manner, and sometimes that means losing our tempers, and we do inform our Masters if we have real issues with what they require of us.
   as They are Master, we give  Them the respect and servitude They desrerve.
  all we wanted to know is if the Masters in general, are aware that Their sub/slave hearts desire that they do as they are told, while it upsets them at the same time, they preform because they love and wish to please their Master's even when they find it difficult.
 neither of us are having trouble with our Masters, this is only an inquiry, not a plea for advice or assistance.
 why make this issue (which is only a question) so serious? it was asked , tongue in cheek.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 7:46:25 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		we only want to know how Your minds work on this subject.
 in Your minds, do You envision Your sub/slave, when they are upset, and You are aware of it, contemplating their servitude to You, or do You know that we cuss You out when You cant hear us.
 thats all, no big crisis.
 nothing serious.
 no one here is have major trouble with their Master, just a couple of courious slaves.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 8:02:19 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		communication between this girl and her Master flows like a river. He allows His pet to speak to Him on any subject.
 she is NOT allowed to cuss Him out, of course, but there are times when, while she is polite and respectful to Him, she will, after He is gone or has hung up, cuss and stomp about some of the things He requires her to do. this girl would never disrespect her Master by behaving that way in front of Him or anyone else. it is something she does in private just to let off steam.
 this girl will always obey her Master, because she knows He has her best intrest at heart, and...... she is here for His pleasure.
 once she does the task, she usually finds it to be, if not pleasurable, at least not that bad and something she could do again.
 this girl is a good and obediant slave.
 when she gave her submission to Him, she did not give up her humanity, emotions, hopes, dreams or desires., she placed them respectfully in His capable hands to manage for her.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 8:03:19 PM   
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c'mon people.
we are happy and we are content in our slavery, we do the things our Masters' require of us and if we didnt desire to be pushed to the edge, we wouldnt have chosen to live this lifestyle.
regardless of that... we are human beings and we behave in a human manner, and sometimes that means losing our tempers, and we do inform our Masters if we have real issues with what they require of us.
  as They are Master, we give  Them the respect and servitude They desrerve.
all we wanted to know is if the Masters in general, are aware that Their sub/slave hearts desire that they do as they are told, while it upsets them at the same time, they preform because they love and wish to please their Master's even when they find it difficult.
neither of us are having trouble with our Masters, this is only an inquiry, not a plea for advice or assistance.
why make this issue (which is only a question) so serious? it was asked , tongue in cheek.



Thank you! I read your original post, laughed my butt off, and then read it to my Dom. Hell, just the other day he punished me over something I didn't do, mainly because it was a break down in communication we found out later. I of course took my punishment and was very gracious (as I could be), but fumed quite a bit within myself as I did my work around the house. He later let me off the punishment because I took it so well and behaved myself.

He knows I get pissed. I don’t always tell him in the heat of the moment that I am pissed. He does eventually find out and we do discuss it thoroughly. Yes I’m a submissive and I love pleasing and serving my Dom. I’m also a person and sometimes my feelings aren’t about obeying and being submissive. They are my feelings and I feel what I feel.


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 8:19:33 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		YAY!!!!! someone got it!!!!!

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 10:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		my Dominant and i have had some issues in this department, because i have a hard time expressing myself (both in terms of articulation and in terms of comfortability) and He is not exactly psychic. at times, He will do things that will trigger psychologically harmful reactions in me, and often i can't express that, and if He recognizes something is wrong, He'll just keep asking until He figures out what it is. other times, when my reactions are not based around emotional damage but rather personal preference or desire, i will submit with grace because i am happy to please Him, but He will ask me my true thoughts on the activity if pleasing Him were out of the picture. usually He does these "afterdiscussions" by email or over the phone within a few days of whatever has occurred that He feels He wishes me to elaborate on. He enjoys knowing my feelings and desires, and is mostly nonjudgmental when it comes to my sharing them.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 10:40:31 PM   
MLskajira


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Status: offline 		this girl is blessed in the same way fullofgrace.
 if it is something this girl just doesnt want to do, and if it is something He really does want, then this girl submits gracefully.
 if it is something this girl is unhappy about submitting to, then she submits gracefully, after having a hissy fit in her llivingroom floor ...... alone.
it makes it easier to do sometimes.
 Master usually knows if it is something she "really" doesnt want to do, but, ultimately, He is Master and all things are for His pleasure.
 that doesnt stop the hissy's though! (hehehe)


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/5/2006 11:02:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		MLskajira, and all:

Do We know?  Well, I can only speak for Myself, but yes, of course We know.  Usually I can see it in her eyes...that little flare of disobedience, and I love her all the more for quelling it.  Sometimes I sense it in how she carries out the task -- any Master worth the title can tell the difference between a task carried out lovingly and easily and one that is completed lovingly but with great difficulty.  And once in a while, when she rails about it, or at Me, or about Me in supposed seclusion I'll come upon her and know.

But so?  The slave's choice is to be a slave. After that, what she thinks or does really doesn't matter, does it?

And you know what, MLskajira?  Sometimes We do it because We like the torment it creates in you.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 2:15:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		My girl  is required to share her thoughts and emotions.... telling me what is there, not what she thinks I want to hear.

There are ways and times when this is done appropriatly. which my new girl will be being taught, she also needs to learn to trust in the fact that no matter what it is, I WANT to hear it and that she can not let me down by being honest about such things. She is alreadytrusting in the fact that she doesn't get into trouble for having an opinion again so long as it is communicated appropriatly.

Currently there is much I don't know... but only because we are still very much in the early days of things. But yes, when it comes to her reactions to things I do, I know. Most of the time I know before she does as I can see it (Her body and eyes oft speak louder than her voice)


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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 5:48:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings :)
With us girls, we were always encouraged to keep a journal. In it, we could write anything that we wanted, without fear of reprisals. Many times Master would read what a heartless, bastard he was for something that WE were upset about. He always would sit us down and talk about it though. It helped alot in the long run. Just my own humble experiences though.

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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 6:28:15 AM   
MLskajira


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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse
My girl  is required to share her thoughts and emotions.... telling me what is there, not what she thinks I want to hear.


 this girl also is required to give her Master her true thought and feelings, not what she thinks He wishes to hear, and she does, even sometimes when He does not ask
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,  And you know what, MLskajira?  Sometimes We do it because We like the torment it creates in you.


 trust her, Emperor, this girl is well aware of the "torment for fun" side of her Master
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ORIGiNAL: Angeni
, With us girls, we were always encouraged to keep a journal. In it, we could write anything that we wanted, without fear of reprisals.


this girl is also required to journal and she has since the very first day... this girl puts all of her thoughts and feelings in it. but the times, just after He hangs up the phone, after giving this girl a task or order that makes her hair stand up, she doesnt journal that she almost threw the cell phone in the creek, or that she stood in the back yard calling Him all kinds of nasty names. because by the time she is at the computer, she has calmed down some,
 this girl will journal that she is not happy or sure about what He requires of her, but He is Master, and this kajira will always do as she is told. she knows Master will not make her do anything that may genuinely harm her. but that doesnt mean she likes the idea, her job is to perform, and she does, with grace.



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RE: do You know Your slub/slave's true reactions? - 4/6/2006 8:53:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		As far as possible, I try to be aware of my slave's true reactions to my requests, yes.  In our relationship, it's important to both of us that she serve me wholeheartedly; ideally she should feel happy, cared for and fulfilled in her service to me.  The world isn't a perfect place, however, and of course this won't always be the case; if she is ill at ease with some aspect of her service, I want to know about it, and I consider it my responsibility to try to understand why.  Some kinds of discontent are relatively innocuous (nervousness about some demand that I'm certain she can handle, unfamiliarity with a given task, a bad day) and can be handled without much more than acknowledgement and understanding, while others-- something like a deep or long-lasting resentment-- would need to be discussed seriously and worked out between us.

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