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pahunkboy -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:20:27 PM)

Of course drug addicts will push their friends out the window.   If one dies inside it is alot more questions.





kittinSol -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:26:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
I can understand how many would have ignored him. Illegal immigrant and all.


I can't understand it. Illegal immigrant or not.


kit'n you can tell he was an illegal by the way he was curled up and dying...We have got to get rid of these damn illegals one way or the other.....when they are not too busy trying to save our women folk then they are always trying to take our fucking jobs.


And then they're ungrateful when they're allowed to die in comfort on our streets... whether they're legal or not!!! You're right. Those fucking immigrants are the pits. My parents never immigrated here illegally. What the fuck? At least, popeye's mom and pops came here with a full load of Irish potatoes. They were well equipped. And Aileen's mum's snatch was full of the pre-requisite cargo of Sicilian clams.

Things aren't the way they used to be. That's for sure.



pyroaquatic -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:27:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

What is your solution?
Sit there complacent with everything? Pretend the system really does work?



It's not about a system or any kind of bullshit like that. It's about humanity: you see a person bleeding to death, you help them.

It's simple, it really is. Person; ground; blood = call; emergency; help.

That is called a System.
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System (from Latin systēma, in turn from Greek σύστημα systēma) is a set of interacting or interdependent entities forming an integrated whole.

And twenty one people too late.

Does that make 20 people inhuman? For every one decent human there are 20 magogs lined up somewhere waiting with cavernous eyes.

If it was so easy it would have been done. Something made it not so easy. Perhaps they did not want to endure helping another citizen.
Perhaps it was Ignorance.

I've been on the bottom. I have been homeless. Living on the streets will eat your soul. You are homeless and therefor sans possessions, since all of your things will be stolen. I've slept in cardboard boxes knees to my chest shivering because someone took my sleeping bag.

There is no stability and no one wants to deal with 'that homeless guy'.
Angels are out there though.

Okay... whatever you want to believe. There is no bullshit system and the infrastructure is fine. It is all in my head.

The dealers in the street, all in my head.

The homeless, that is all in my head too.

Do not discount me because I am crazy. Discount me if I am Wrong.





domiguy -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:28:21 PM)

The most dangerous prey, them homeless folks be. They are a wily and crafty lot.

Sure you could set up a blind outside a liquor store or perhaps stake out a cozy lil alley. That is clearly a violation and not allowed per instructions of the DHR (Department of Hobo Resources.)

It clearly states that the hobo must be tracked and cannot be laying on the ground or a park bench when taken.



kittinSol -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:31:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

Do not discount me because I am crazy. Discount me if I am Wrong.



It never occurred to me to discount you except for the fact that you kept on quoting that bollocky "Us/You the People", but now that you've made the admission above... it's going to be fucking hard not to make some horrid joke at you.

I promise I will show restraint ("You the People" = PURE bollocks).



WolfeTone -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:33:39 PM)

Well since the story first aired, have there been any leads or arrests made? 



pyroaquatic -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:34:11 PM)

So We have a constitution that we don't believe in. What is the purpose of such an application? What is the purpose of the Constitution?



pahunkboy -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:36:20 PM)

and with health care reform Obama surely has helped.



jlf1961 -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:37:48 PM)

Well, if we eliminated everyone in cities with a population of more than 750, we could prevent this from happening again, and eliminate traffic congestion.



Termyn8or -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:38:00 PM)

So kit, I am a poor Man because you didn't understand my reference in post 26 ? I'm just going to let it be, it has two syllables, and the other guess was dead wrong. That's all you get.

But I agree with you. Granted I will drive on by a broken down car, but the people are inside, and almost everyone has cellphones. But laying on the street or in a ditch you have to go see if he's alive at least. Truthfully if he was already dead I would move on, possibly call it in. But if alive and in distress that is a different story.

Put the shoe on the other foot. I am laying at the side of the road drowning in my own blood. This actually happened to me but it was the side of the highway. Maybe nobody saw because they were looking where they were goijng. OK fine.

But on a city street or something like that, with people walking by with sushi or a hotdog in their hand and a soda in the other walking right by me saying "Wow, that's a unique art exhibit", maybe I wouldn't want to be saved. If it has gotten that bad maybe I am better off gone.

Ironically like I said, the more of us packed into the same area, the farther apart we grow.

And the word ? I won't cut you down too badly if you don't figure it out. Remember who made the "riddle" of sorts. That's all you get.

T



kittinSol -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:45:41 PM)

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domiguy -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:49:25 PM)

Termy, do you have any idea how pricey sushi is? I bend over to check on you and I lose some unago, I am not going to be too fucking pleased.


You strike me as the type that would lay on the sidewalk as a ploy to get some free unagi or unago. You do strike me as an eel type of a guy.



Venalismihi -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:55:49 PM)

Bystander Effect. Why we are taught to yell "fire" and not "help".



WolfeTone -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 6:58:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venalismihi

Bystander Effect. Why we are taught to yell "fire" and not "help".

I don't buy that. I'd have been a bystander as well, but I would have called the police and tried to help the poor man. It is possible that some of the "bystanders" had active warrants and were afraid to call, of just afraid in general. Fear has quite the powerful effect on people.

Edit - Misspelling



Venalismihi -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 7:02:13 PM)

There are two major factors that contribute to the bystander effect. First, the presence of other people creates a diffusion of responsibility. Because there are other observers, individuals do not feel as much pressure to take action, since the responsibility to take action is thought to be shared among all of those present.

The second reason is the need to behave in correct and socially acceptable ways. When other observers fail to react, individuals often take this as a signal that a response is not needed or not appropriate. Other researchers have found that onlookers are less likely to intervene if the situation is ambiguous(2). In the case of Kitty Genovese, many of the 38 witnesses reported that they believed that they were witnessing a "lover’s quarrel," and did not realize that the young woman was actually being murdered.



Termyn8or -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 7:04:35 PM)

"You strike me as the type that would lay on the sidewalk as a ploy to get some free unagi or unago"

Shhh MF. It's OK if you know but keep a lid on it.

Remember the rooster joke ? The buzzards are getting closer.

T



LadiTrukDriver -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 7:09:13 PM)

That makes me totally sick, that just is NOT right. Amazing how despite the fact that he put himself on the line to save someone else's life that people would treat ANYONE homeless or not, that way...it just makes me totally sick!
Lauri



jlf1961 -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 7:25:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Venalismihi

Bystander Effect. Why we are taught to yell "fire" and not "help".


Which again supports my opinion of the human race. The majority of humans are a waste of resources and space.



Venalismihi -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 7:29:12 PM)

"For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred with ignition trouble." --- Kurt Hanks
Does this not support your theory that poeple are not all fully functional and well? It is the nature of humans. Nothing will ever alter.



jlf1961 -> RE: People Ignored Homeless Man Dying Of Stab Wounds (4/26/2010 7:42:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Venalismihi

"For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred with ignition trouble." --- Kurt Hanks
Does this not support your theory that poeple are not all fully functional and well? It is the nature of humans. Nothing will ever alter.



No, what forms my theory of humanity stems from a stint in the military and some world travel afterwords. I have seen what humans do to each other in the name of humanity. Go to a country where they can mine enough diamonds to build a paradise and they instead spend the money on weapons to kill each other.

People are hung up with looking out for themselves that they could care less what happens to the next person. The only time you see any great "Humanitarian Effort" is when the news bombards viewers with images from some natural disaster and then it is fashionable.

Your so called bystander effect is the proof that people have no idea what compassion means. When the race has reached the point where the sight of one person in trouble does nothing to move someone to help then the race is doomed to extinction, or in the very least endangered.




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