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tazzygirl -> More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 6:47:49 AM)

The legislative debate is over, but the false and exaggerated claims just keep on coming.
April 19, 2010

And even now the misrepresentations continue. The new law is no longer a moving target, but some opponents persist in making false or exaggerated claims about it. Our inboxes are filled with messages asking about assertions that the new law:

■Requires patients to be implanted with microchips. (No, it doesn’t.)
■Cuts benefits for military families and retirees. (No. The TRICARE program isn’t affected.)
■Exempts Muslims from the requirement to obtain coverage. (Not specifically. It does have a religious exemption, but that is intended for Old Order Amish.)
■Allows insurance companies to continue denying coverage to children with preexisting conditions. (Insurance companies have agreed not to exploit a loophole that might have allowed this.)
■Will require 16,500 armed IRS agents to enforce. (No. Criminal penalties are waived.)
■Gives President Obama a Nazi-like "private army." (No. It provides a reserve corps of doctors and other health workers for emergencies.)
■"Exempts" House and Senate members. (No. Their coverage may not be as good as before, in fact.)
■Covers erectile-dysfunction drugs for sex offenders. (Just as it was before the new law, those no longer in jail can buy any insurance plan they choose.)
■Provides federal funding for abortions. (Not directly. But neither side in the abortion debate is happy with the law.)
For details on these claims about the new law, please read our Analysis section.


I will post the part on the chips.. lol... just for pahunk.

Will the law require all patients to be implanted with microchips?

No. Nothing like this appears in the new law, or in any of the bills that Congress considered. This claim stems from a wild misinterpretation of a provision in the original House leadership’s bill (H.R. 3200) that did not require implantation of anything, and that was, in any case, not part of the final legislation. The part of the original House leadership’s bill that’s usually referenced to support this rather paranoid claim actually would have set up a registry for class III medical devices and class II devices that are "implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining." The Federal Drug Administration’s classifications determine how much oversight and regulation the device has — class III devices (such as, for example, replacement heart valves or artificial hips) need pre-market FDA approval; class I devices (like x-ray film or tongue depressors) need only general quality controls. Class II devices, which need to meet performance standards but don’t need pre-market approval, cover a wide range — blood pressure cuffs are class II, but so are cerebral shunts. That’s why the bill specified implantable, life-supporting and life-sustaining devices.

But the bill did not mandate implantable devices of any kind, least of all microchips. Rather, it said that implantable devices will be registered so that physicians can access data about safety and effectiveness in a way that "protects patient privacy and proprietary information." And again, it didn’t become law.


http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/more-malarkey-about-health-care/




pahunkboy -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 8:47:42 AM)

That wont be how the lawyers read it.




RacerJim -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 8:58:25 AM)

Factcheck.org? You jest of course! LOL




tazzygirl -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 9:13:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

That wont be how the lawyers read it.


This is how their lawyers read it.




rulemylife -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 9:29:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Factcheck.org? You jest of course! LOL


Amazing!

We go from proving myths about health care wrong back to someone trying to continue myths about Annenberg.




tazzygirl -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 9:39:41 AM)

Factcheck's own site reveals its ability to be bipartisan in its criticisms, rule. A few wont go look. I simply ignore them.

Jim is definitely worth a selective ignore. [:D]




MrRodgers -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 10:32:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Factcheck.org? You jest of course! LOL

Yea...Fox News would be much better.

I could just as easily suggest Republican or Tea parties ? Surely you jest.




MrRodgers -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 10:39:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

That wont be how the lawyers read it.

Well, like I believe, much of this will be capitalist against capitalist so it will be up to the courts.




vincentML -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 11:54:11 AM)

Thanks for the good info, tazzygirl. I assume grandmothers are safe from the death panels for awhile pending of course capitalist vs capitalist, whatever the hell that means.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 1:45:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
...pending of course capitalist vs capitalist, whatever the hell that means.


"Don't worry about them. The capitalists will sell you the rope to hang themselves with."
  - Vladimir Lenin




Fellow -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 2:09:56 PM)

There is an another myth I hear from rich liberal Democrats: the new health care law gives Americans universal health care.  




tazzygirl -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 3:18:17 PM)

It gives access, portability and the end of pre-existing conditions.




pahunkboy -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 3:20:03 PM)

maybe it will cure congress.




tazzygirl -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 5:27:44 PM)

The only cure for Congress is in the voting booth.




Fellow -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 5:58:41 PM)

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It gives access, portability and the end of pre-existing conditions.


40 million Americans use food stamps. What use they have of the knowledge that if they had enough  money their health insurance buying application can not be denied?




thompsonx -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 6:05:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
...pending of course capitalist vs capitalist, whatever the hell that means.


"Don't worry about them. The capitalists will sell you the rope to hang themselves with."
  - Vladimir Lenin




One can only hope




tazzygirl -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/27/2010 7:54:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

quote:

It gives access, portability and the end of pre-existing conditions.


40 million Americans use food stamps. What use they have of the knowledge that if they had enough  money their health insurance buying application can not be denied?



I think you need to review the law again. More specifically, the rates of pay, who pays, who is subsidized and at what level of proverty people have to start paying.




Sanity -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/28/2010 3:50:59 AM)

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DomYngBlk -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/28/2010 4:21:30 AM)

40 million Americans use food stamps. What use they have of the knowledge that if they had enough  money their health insurance buying application can not be denied?
Stoned when you wrote this?




Sanity -> RE: More Malarkey About Health Care (4/28/2010 4:29:31 AM)


One of the corner stones of Obama's health scare argument was that without reform the costs would bankrupt us as a nation, and so we had to get it done now, immediately, without even taking time to read the legislation.




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