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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:37:04 PM   
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Someday when you learn how to comprehend what you read you may notice that it was icarys comment and not mine.


Really, I thought it came from here....

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Tompson

"Well there is that little thing about Hugo Chavez still giving oil to poor people in amerika.
You called me a liar several times.
But yet I prove I am right and you are wrong again AS USUAL "


Except you have provided no evidence that program exists anymore. No evidence at all.


It ended in early 09.

And you are lying pretending the program still runs.


Just post an article about the current state of the program. Except you can't because it was cancelled 2 winters ago.



Posted by Kristy Kershaw on January 19, 2010 at 10:04 am


http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/2010-citgocitizens-energy-free-heating-oil-program-kicks-off-in-nyc119/

Citizens Energy Chair Joseph Kennedy. (image: static.sdnn.com)
The CITGO-Venezuela Heating Oil Program began its fifth year Friday, with a delivery of heating oil to residents in upper Manhattan. According to NY1, residents of a tenant-owned cooperative on W. 130th St. received oil from the program, which provides discounted heating oil to needy families. To kick off the 2010 program, CITGO held a celebratory event at Manhattan’s Riverside Church. In attendance was Alejandro Granado, CEO of CITGO, Bernardo Alvarez, Venezuelan ambassador to the U.S., and Joseph P. Kennedy II, chairman of the Boston-based Citizens Energy.

Now you can suck my cock like the little bitch you are...
After you show us what kind of an apology you can make for calling a man a liar multiple times.





Now if you want to think posting like that makes you look intelligent, go right ahead


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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:40:22 PM   
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I did not say I was a critical thinker I said that Hugo Chavez gives free heating oil to poor people in the U.S.
My bitch said I was a liar...I provided validation for my statements and my bitch is still my bitch.
Now if you would like to apply for membership in "my bitches" you will have to get in line because my cock is only for those who need something in their mouth to stop that squeeky noise they make when they open it.
Now if you have an actual gripe with me why don't you just say it instead of snarking behind my back?


Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think you are a rude, obnoxious little boy and your posts prove that to me. Do you understand now?

Oh and no I have no desire to be one of your online bitches, I will leave that up to the ladies in your imagination.


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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:44:21 PM   
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Well my post started off discussing critical thinking and the scientific method came in later. I still think critical thinking is key.

 
Very true. I would, however, argue that "critical thinking" - taking some new event or idea and comparing it to what you already know and believe and attempting to fit it into the group of facts and ideas that you consider valid - is a sort of "short hand" scientific method. It's going "I don't have time to run lengthy experiments on this..." and then either saying "...but it seems to match these known facts and the model of reality that I consider genuine so I'll provisionally accept it as valid until more information comes along" or saying "...but this seriously contradicts what I already consider valid, so I need to investigate and question it and my current worldview and resolve this inconsistency."
 
To go all the way back to the OP, I would agree with you that large segments of society seem to be lacking in critical thinking skills. This might be okay if they were vested in following and believing someone who has excellent critical thinking skills - but more often it seems to be a selection of very loud, very arrogant, very biased idiots.



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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:45:10 PM   
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Thank you for such a clear, cogent post!

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The scientific method is a tool for experiencing the world. As with all tools, it is not useful in all circumstances. Similarly, the scientific method is not a way to create new ideas and theories - it is a way to validate them. To a "real" scientist (and I use the term reservedly) the source of a given theorum - whether from intuition, a dream, a joke, a small child's ponderings or divine inspiration - is irrelevant. It's the methodology for testing the proposition that will prove its validity or expose it as a fallacy - not the source of the idea. Einstein claimed that the inspiration for the theory of relativity came to him in a dream when he was thirteen or fourteen. Some might say that's not "scientific" - but the point of science isn't whether or not you have inspirational dreams but whether the conclusions you draw from these dreams are empirically valid.


A crucial distinction.  I love these quotes from Stephen Jay Gould:

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We often think, naively, that missing data are the primary impediments to intellectual progress—just find the right facts and all the problems will dissipate. But barriers are often deeper and more abstract in thought. We must have access to the right metaphor, not only to the requisite information. Revolutionary thinkers are not, primarily, gatherers of fact, but weavers of new intellectual structures.

-- Stephen Jay Gould in "For Want of a Metaphor", in The Flamingo's Smile (1985) p. 151

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The progress of science requires more than new data; it needs novel frameworks and contexts. And where do these fundamentally new views of the world arise? They are not simply discovered by pure observation; they require new modes of thought. And where can we find them, if old modes do not even include the right metaphors? The nature of true genius must lie in the elusive capacity to construct these new modes from apparent darkness. The basic chanciness and unpredictability of science must also reside in the inherent difficulty of such a task.

-- Stephen Jay Gould in "False Premise, Good Science", in The Flamingo's Smile (1985) p. 138




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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:46:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Well my post started off discussing critical thinking and the scientific method came in later. I still think critical thinking is key.

 
Very true. I would, however, argue that "critical thinking" - taking some new event or idea and comparing it to what you already know and believe and attempting to fit it into the group of facts and ideas that you consider valid - is a sort of "short hand" scientific method. It's going "I don't have time to run lengthy experiments on this..." and then either saying "...but it seems to match these known facts and the model of reality that I consider genuine so I'll provisionally accept it as valid until more information comes along" or saying "...but this seriously contradicts what I already consider valid, so I need to investigate and question it and my current worldview and resolve this inconsistency."
 
To go all the way back to the OP, I would agree with you that large segments of society seem to be lacking in critical thinking skills. This might be okay if they were vested in following and believing someone who has excellent critical thinking skills - but more often it seems to be a selection of very loud, very arrogant, very biased idiots.




Word!

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:47:30 PM   
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Someday when you learn how to comprehend what you read you may notice that it was icarys comment and not mine.


Really, I thought it came from here....

no it came from here

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Now you can suck my cock like the little bitch you are...

Now that's some critical thinking!




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thishereboi:


Those are the kind of comments that show the real man behind the posts. Or should I say little boy. But if he thinks it makes him look like a critical thinker, who are we to burst his little bubble.


So how bout you sit your lying ass down.






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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:50:23 PM   
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I think the flames have digressed too far. Let's please stay on topic?

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:54:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
 
To go all the way back to the OP, I would agree with you that large segments of society seem to be lacking in critical thinking skills. This might be okay if they were vested in following and believing someone who has excellent critical thinking skills - but more often it seems to be a selection of very loud, very arrogant, very biased idiots.


Myself, I think the highlighted portion sums up this whole thread.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:55:22 PM   
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I think the flames have digressed too far. Let's please stay on topic?

- LA




Sure thing...sorry for the interuption.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:55:46 PM   
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We often think, naively, that missing data are the primary impediments to intellectual progress—just find the right facts and all the problems will dissipate. But barriers are often deeper and more abstract in thought. We must have access to the right metaphor, not only to the requisite information. Revolutionary thinkers are not, primarily, gatherers of fact, but weavers of new intellectual structures.

-- Stephen Jay Gould in "For Want of a Metaphor", in The Flamingo's Smile (1985) p. 151


That's a good quote.

Some months ago, I was dating this molecular biologist and we got into a long discussion on the nature of science. I put forward that there are three types of "scientist" in any field - researchers, theorists and experimenters. Any scientist is going to have aspects of all three, but everyone has a certain area that they excel at and are most comfortable with. Researchers are into observing and obtaining data. They like to go and gather facts and find new things and put together information. Theorists like to toss around ideas, to propose things and try and build hypotethical models - whether or not they actually may work or be valid. Experimenters like to attack propositions and either validate them or reject them - they're into proving things. Science needs all of them - but the real core that moves society forward are the theorists. They're also the rarest.

Sorry, LA - I didn't mean to hijack your thread into a discussion of science. It's just one of those subjects I like to blather on about. (;

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 8:59:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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To go all the way back to the OP, I would agree with you that large segments of society seem to be lacking in critical thinking skills. This might be okay if they were vested in following and believing someone who has excellent critical thinking skills - but more often it seems to be a selection of very loud, very arrogant, very biased idiots.


Myself, I think the highlighted portion sums up this whole thread.




You have made several important contributions to the thread and no one thinks you are a biased idiot.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:00:51 PM   
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Sorry, LA - I didn't mean to hijack your thread into a discussion of science. It's just one of those subjects I like to blather on about. (;


I see no highjack! I see a direct discussion of the issues.

As for theorists, yes, gotta love theorists ;-)

- LA


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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:02:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I think the flames have digressed too far. Let's please stay on topic?

- LA




Sure thing...sorry for the interuption.


No prob. We are guilty of it at one time or another.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:12:47 PM   
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This topic is bust. I honestly think it was over before it began. The reason logical thinkers seem rare to the general masses is because they are usually busy thinking, NOT CHATTING.

Religion is a waste of minds! Argument about it's validity is a waste of time and energy.

I think everybody should denounce religion and start properly educating their children with known facts.

Americans need to learn about 2 serious conservation concerns:

#1 A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

#2 American are losing a holy war and too deep in debt and too waste anymore time or energy.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:12:48 PM   
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Okay folks.  There's multiple tickets open on this thread, and I'm going to close them all, without doing anything, in the hopes that in the last page you've resolved to calm the flames and return to the topic, with no moderator intervention.

If you prove me wrong, I can always do something else.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:37:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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To go all the way back to the OP, I would agree with you that large segments of society seem to be lacking in critical thinking skills. This might be okay if they were vested in following and believing someone who has excellent critical thinking skills - but more often it seems to be a selection of very loud, very arrogant, very biased idiots.


Myself, I think the highlighted portion sums up this whole thread.




You have made several important contributions to the thread and no one thinks you are a biased idiot.


And the reason I haven't contributed is summed up above.

This entire thread is an ego circle jerk.

How pompous and arrogant can people be to decide their reasoning is superior and others lack critical thinking skills?

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:40:54 PM   
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And the reason I haven't contributed is summed up above.

This entire thread is an ego circle jerk.

How pompous and arrogant can people be to decide their reasoning is superior and others lack critical thinking skills?



It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:42:02 PM   
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And the reason I haven't contributed is summed up above.

This entire thread is an ego circle jerk.

How pompous and arrogant can people be to decide their reasoning is superior and others lack critical thinking skills?


Have you never met someone who lacked critical thinking skills?

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:46:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
 
To go all the way back to the OP, I would agree with you that large segments of society seem to be lacking in critical thinking skills. This might be okay if they were vested in following and believing someone who has excellent critical thinking skills - but more often it seems to be a selection of very loud, very arrogant, very biased idiots.


Myself, I think the highlighted portion sums up this whole thread.




You have made several important contributions to the thread and no one thinks you are a biased idiot.


And the reason I haven't contributed is summed up above.

This entire thread is an ego circle jerk.

How pompous and arrogant can people be to decide their reasoning is superior and others lack critical thinking skills?



Actually rule ... there are some good points on both sides sprinkled through out. And also some great original insight. Neutral too.

The problem you correctly identify ... as does the video admin ... is the flaming has been going on here ... constantly.

One person writes something worth discussing further ... and three new pages of unrelated topic appear ... faster than a paragraph can be typed.

And the continuity is lost.

Frankly ... if anyone really wants to seriously discuss this stuff ... I would be happy to. It is a favorite topic of mine ...

But this topic truthfully ... does not belong on collar me ... there are not that many who care about it.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/3/2010 9:48:18 PM   
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see what I mean?

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