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GotSteel -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 6:20:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
What is "blind faith"?

Don't you have a dictionary?





Main Entry:  
blind faith

Part of Speech:  
n

Definition:  
belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind+faith




thishereboi -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 7:49:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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I did not say I was a critical thinker I said that Hugo Chavez gives free heating oil to poor people in the U.S.
My bitch said I was a liar...I provided validation for my statements and my bitch is still my bitch.
Now if you would like to apply for membership in "my bitches" you will have to get in line because my cock is only for those who need something in their mouth to stop that squeeky noise they make when they open it.
Now if you have an actual gripe with me why don't you just say it instead of snarking behind my back?


Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think you are a rude, obnoxious little boy and your posts prove that to me. Do you understand now?

Oh and no I have no desire to be one of your online bitches, I will leave that up to the ladies in your imagination.[8|]



I want to apologize for this post. It was rude and unnecessary.




thompsonx -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 8:05:49 AM)

Thank you C. You are a real stand up person.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 9:40:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
What is "blind faith"?

Don't you have a dictionary?

Main Entry:  
blind faith

Part of Speech:  
n

Definition:  
belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind+faith


So, how are you using it within the context of the discussion?

Is all religious belief based on "blind faith" in your estimation?

Firm




Musicmystery -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 10:08:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
What is "blind faith"?

Don't you have a dictionary?

Main Entry:  
blind faith

Part of Speech:  
n

Definition:  
belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind+faith

And now the omitted parts...

def·i·ni·tion (děf'ə-nĭsh'ən)
n.
1. A statement conveying fundamental character.
2. The act or process of stating a precise meaning or significance; formulation of a meaning.
3. The act of making clear and distinct: a definition of one's intentions.
4. The act of making clear and distinct: a definition of one's intentions.
5. A determination of outline, extent, or limits: the definition of a President's authority.

I doubt your response to the the many famous definition essays titled "On _______ " would garnish the response "Don't you have a dictionary?"








thompsonx -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 10:10:16 AM)

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Is all religious belief based on "blind faith" in your estimation?


Could you tell us which ones you think are not?




Musicmystery -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 10:12:31 AM)

I can think of several--why do you think there's such a wealth of religious philosophical literature?

Start with Augustine and Aquinas, work through them from there.




ResidentSadist -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 10:15:06 AM)

I was going to get a life but then I ran accross this thread.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 12:01:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

Is all religious belief based on "blind faith" in your estimation?


Could you tell us which ones you think are not?


I tend to view "faith" as "belief that is not based on proof". An "informed faith" wouldn't be faith.

To this end, once you reach the limits of what is empirically provable - everything has to be taken on faith. The question then becomes "In the absence of any significant evidence, where do you place your faith?". Following this, everyone must have faith in something - even if it's just the workings of random chance or in the existance of a universe which operates solely based on observable physical laws.

For example - there is no objective evidence for an afterlife. There is anecdotal evidence (ghost sightings, near-death experiences, etc.) but this cannot be substantiated (unless, of course, you yourself have seen a ghost or had an out-of-body experience or whatever). Absent such first-hand experience, to say that there is definitely not an afterlife is as much an act of faith as saying that there definitely is.

I would suppose that "blind faith" would be faith in something that has been clearly and repeatedly contradicted by empirical testing and evidence - such as a continuing belief in lumninous ether after Eistein's General Theory of Relativity was validated, or belief in a "flat Earth" after orbital photography was developed.

The problem with accusing someone of "blind faith" is that many things which are viewed as "scientifically" accepted (and I use the term very loosely) aren't really scientifically proven. A theory that seems to fit the available facts isn't valid until it can be empirically experimented upon and tested.

Belief in one or more deities would, by my definition, be faith but not blind faith since it isn't possible to provide sufficient evidence to either confirm or refute their existence. Belief that Elvis is still alive would be blind faith since it is not only possible to read his obituary and talk to witnesses of his death and burial but if truly necessary, one could exhume his body and verify his death.




Musicmystery -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 1:37:10 PM)

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An "informed faith" wouldn't be faith.


My friend Joe usually comes through. I don't know where he is this time, but I have faith he'll come through again.

Not empirically provable before the fact. But an informed faith.





mnottertail -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 1:39:58 PM)

As is:  The sun will rise in the east tomorrow.




brainiacsub -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 1:46:11 PM)

As opposed to "Jesus is the son of God" or "Muhammad is the final prophet" which requires blind faith to not only accept it but to perpetuate it?




mnottertail -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 1:49:21 PM)

Anyone got an actual history on that?  Some 'reasonably repeatable outcomes'?  Looking for somewhat more than kitchen table cold fusion here.




brainiacsub -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 2:07:36 PM)

Sorry, but not following you here. You'll have to dumb down your English for me...just a little bit please.




mnottertail -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 2:10:01 PM)

LOL, you'll have to go to Fox News for the skinny, I guess.





brainiacsub -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 2:15:37 PM)

lol...okay... Glen Beck and I thank you[:)]




rulemylife -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 3:13:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
What is "blind faith"?

Don't you have a dictionary?

Main Entry:  
blind faith

Part of Speech:  
n

Definition:  
belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind+faith


So, how are you using it within the context of the discussion?

Is all religious belief based on "blind faith" in your estimation?

Firm



How else would you describe it?

Every conversation I have ever been in with those that believe results in their final position being that one just has to have faith.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 3:18:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
What is "blind faith"?

Don't you have a dictionary?

Main Entry:  
blind faith

Part of Speech:  
n

Definition:  
belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind+faith


So, how are you using it within the context of the discussion?

Is all religious belief based on "blind faith" in your estimation?

Firm



How else would you describe it?

Every conversation I have ever been in with those that believe results in their final position being that one just has to have faith.



rulemy, InvisibleBlack said it perfectly.

He made the point I was going to, but more eloquently than I could have.

Go back and read his post.

Firm




rulemylife -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 3:24:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
What is "blind faith"?

Don't you have a dictionary?

Main Entry:  
blind faith

Part of Speech:  
n

Definition:  
belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind+faith

And now the omitted parts...

def·i·ni·tion (děf'ə-nĭsh'ən)
n.
1. A statement conveying fundamental character.
2. The act or process of stating a precise meaning or significance; formulation of a meaning.
3. The act of making clear and distinct: a definition of one's intentions.
4. The act of making clear and distinct: a definition of one's intentions.
5. A determination of outline, extent, or limits: the definition of a President's authority.

I doubt your response to the the many famous definition essays titled "On _______ " would garnish the response "Don't you have a dictionary?"



Well that was interesting, and confusing.

You mean that in order to supply a definition of blind faith he was also required to provide a definition of definition?






rulemylife -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/5/2010 3:28:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

How else would you describe it?

Every conversation I have ever been in with those that believe results in their final position being that one just has to have faith.



rulemy, InvisibleBlack said it perfectly.

He made the point I was going to, but more eloquently than I could have.

Go back and read his post.



I did read his post and I disagree with his interpretation as well and I'm writing a response to it.

But I was asking you, not him.




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