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BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 9:36:32 AM   
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Oh you mean... like they would never ever???

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:15:25 AM   
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How do you make out "Go green or else" From your link, except in your imagination ?

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:23:37 AM   
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Generally speaking, in a terrorism case a group steps forward to take credit for it.  I haven't heard of that yet in this case.

Why would it be so hard to accept that it was an accident?  You know, things like design flaws, inadequate maintenance, sloppy safety procedures.  Why does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy?

And from what I've heard BP is already working a lot on alternative energy.  They are smart enough to know the oil will run out and they want to be in on the ground floor of the energy sources that will replace it.  Other oil companies would probably make better targets...unless of course BP just has the laxest security.


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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:28:54 AM   
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I'm sure the conspiracy will be exposed just as soon as someone can figure out how to tie-in the weather problems that are hampering the containment efforts. Have your tinfoils hat ready, it's gonna big a great one!

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:31:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MC4Misfit

Generally speaking, in a terrorism case a group steps forward to take credit for it.  I haven't heard of that yet in this case.

Why would it be so hard to accept that it was an accident?  You know, things like design flaws, inadequate maintenance, sloppy safety procedures.  Why does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy?


You're relatively new here, so first of all, welcome to the forum. You'll quickly learn that on this board, everything is a conspiracy. Everything. We've got two or three posters who turn every single issue into a giant conspiracy, and they try to turn every thread they post in into a conspiracy thread. FatDomDaddy isn't one of the ones to whom I refer, but if you hang around long enough, you'll figure out who I'm talking about.


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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:37:02 AM   
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Well since you ASKED.


FL and other coastline now ruined.

Hence Michigan is back!    Yeah!  people will prefer even Detriot to a sewer.

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:39:47 AM   
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  Yeah!  people will prefer even Detriot to a sewer.



Well, now you're just being silly. I've been to Detroit, and I've been in sewers. If I owned both Detroit and a sewer, I'd rent out Detroit and live in the sewer.


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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:41:52 AM   
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Michigan has alot of nice coastline.   So people who want water front- - might see that is attractive.

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 11:51:49 AM   
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Conspiracy, conspiracy, ok, I may as well add to it seeing as we are talking that stuff ;

I wonder if  The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company  ( AIOC) as BP used to be called has some bearing on it, is Iran still a shareholder in the company ?

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 12:37:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: MC4Misfit

Generally speaking, in a terrorism case a group steps forward to take credit for it.  I haven't heard of that yet in this case.

Why would it be so hard to accept that it was an accident?  You know, things like design flaws, inadequate maintenance, sloppy safety procedures.  Why does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy?


You're relatively new here, so first of all, welcome to the forum. You'll quickly learn that on this board, everything is a conspiracy. Everything. We've got two or three posters who turn every single issue into a giant conspiracy, and they try to turn every thread they post in into a conspiracy thread. FatDomDaddy isn't one of the ones to whom I refer, but if you hang around long enough, you'll figure out who I'm talking about.




LOL... there ya go Panda!

I figured I'd take a shot at it too!

Still... Bombs in NYC, Bombs in Pittsburgh.... then add the disaster to OPEC should the US decide to "Drill Baby Drill" (yes wack jobs out there who take every sentence by every poster as a personal insult and challenge, I know were don't buy OPEC oil and yes it still would be a economic disaster for them) or the policy disaster it would be to the Green political movment... and the possibilities are endless!

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 12:39:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Conspiracy, conspiracy, ok, I may as well add to it seeing as we are talking that stuff ;

I wonder if  The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company  ( AIOC) as BP used to be called has some bearing on it, is Iran still a shareholder in the company ?


No but I think several Bin Ladin's still have a stake! Good job Anerin! I've heard some major funding for Greenpeace has been coming frrom Iran.

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 1:51:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I'm sure the conspiracy will be exposed just as soon as someone can figure out how to tie-in the weather problems that are hampering the containment efforts. Have your tinfoils hat ready, it's gonna big a great one!

~Dave



Common' Dave ...you know the HARP project and of course the NSA and the CIA in order to confuse the DEA and the NEA have chosen to blow up an oil rig to help press congress to allocate more money for photos of crucifixes in toilets.
Some times I think you just are not paying attention

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 1:53:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
  Yeah!  people will prefer even Detriot to a sewer.



Well, now you're just being silly. I've been to Detroit, and I've been in sewers. If I owned both Detroit and a sewer, I'd rent out Detroit and live in the sewer.




That is just fucking mean....
True....
but mean none the less.

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 1:54:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Conspiracy, conspiracy, ok, I may as well add to it seeing as we are talking that stuff ;

I wonder if  The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company  ( AIOC) as BP used to be called has some bearing on it, is Iran still a shareholder in the company ?



Perhaps only in the sense that that is where the oil is.

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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 2:13:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MC4Misfit

Generally speaking, in a terrorism case a group steps forward to take credit for it. 




and when they do not its MI6, CIA, FBI, KGB or some other alphabet agency from one or several governments.


the laws of the west.




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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 2:16:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I'm sure the conspiracy will be exposed just as soon as someone can figure out how to tie-in the weather problems that are hampering the containment efforts. Have your tinfoils hat ready, it's gonna big a great one!

~Dave



only if it can be pined on

door number 1: Muslims

door number 2: extremist right wing christians

door number 3: exremist sovereign patriot groups


operation blame game





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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 4:54:38 PM   
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But what makes me wonder when all this under pressure oil is removed from deep underground, what may it lead to in terms of earth plate movement, the stuff that leads to earth quakes and people dying, is there a relationship in this ?

But if there was, to an oil company the deaths of many is of no consequence when money is the gain.



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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 5:05:01 PM   
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But what makes me wonder when all this under pressure oil is removed from deep underground, what may it lead to in terms of earth plate movement, the stuff that leads to earth quakes and people dying, is there a relationship in this ?

But if there was, to an oil company the deaths of many is of no consequence when money is the gain.


I am sure this realization came as a complete shock to you.
Please sit down for I have some rather distressing news for you.
It is not only the oil companies who do not care who dies in the name of profit.
I know this has come as a great blow to you but trust me I too fell to my knees with the blow of this realization but with the help of copious quantities of drugs and trashy women I have managed to push this unpleasentness to the deepest recesses of my drug infested mind.
I cannot in all conscense reccomend my course of escapism to others. I list it only as an option.





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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/2/2010 6:11:13 PM   
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But what makes me wonder when all this under pressure oil is removed from deep underground, what may it lead to in terms of earth plate movement, the stuff that leads to earth quakes and people dying, is there a relationship in this ?


Hi, Aneirin,

Yes and no. First of all, if you remove millions of cubic feet of oil from a geological formation, you're causing at least two physical changes - you're changing the volume, and the mass. Reducing the volume will often cause a small degree of settlement, depending on the nature of the formation. This settlement will typically be steady, but can sometimes be incremental. Slight, sudden adjustments in the settlement can be measured as seismic events, but they're typically very minor. In most cases, not even detectable except by seismic instruments.

But when you remove mass from a geological formation, you can have a secondary effect on the geology of the region. If you're drilling very close to an unstable fault boundary, removing enough mass can cause one of the tectonic plates to shift slightly in relation to the other, which is exactly what an earthquake is. Picture two canoes, side by side in the water, each with two people in it. One of the people gets out of one of the canoes, and that canoe suddenly floats a little higher in the water than the canoe that still has two people in it. If the canoes are actually touching, they'll slide against each other, and the friction will cause a slight scraping and shuddering as they readjust. Pretty much the same thing.

However, any quakes that might be triggered by this displacement are likely to be very small, and in any case are not actually caused by the removal of the weight of the oil - only triggered by it. In every case, the quake would have happened anyway; maybe a month later, maybe a year later, maybe ten years later, but it would still have happened as the plates tried to move past each other. Readjusting the mass just causes it to happen a little bit sooner.

Now, having said all of that, there is another way in which oil and natural gas exploration/extraction can cause earthquakes, but it doesn't actually have to do with the removal of the resource. Some geological formations need to be broken up in order to free the gas and/or oil they contain. They typically do this by pumping water into the formation at very high pressure to fracture the rock, and this activity has been linked to earthquakes with a fairly high degree of reliability. There was a town in Texas a few years ago where a credible link was established between gas exploration and a series of local earthquakes, and there was a geothermal project in Switzerland that (I believe) had to be halted because it was apparently causing some significant earthquakes in an area that had never been geologically active. And I think there was something similar to that near San Francisco sometime fairly recently, but I'm not entirely certain and don't recall the details. Just have a vague memory of hearing something about it on NPR.

So. To answer the question as asked, is there a relationship? Yes. A tenuous and occasional one. A direct cause and effect relationship? Possibly, to a limited extent, in some very limited instances. Does extracting oil actually cause earthquakes that would not otherwise have happened? Almost certainly not. Hope this answers the question.


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RE: BP Oil Rig... Sabotage??? - 5/3/2010 9:54:08 AM   
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So. To answer the question as asked, is there a relationship? Yes. A tenuous and occasional one. A direct cause and effect relationship? Possibly, to a limited extent, in some very limited instances. Does extracting oil actually cause earthquakes that would not otherwise have happened? Almost certainly not. Hope this answers the question.



I was once traveling in a place called Minnesota and many people told me of sink holes that would swallow whole buildings that were caused by the collapse of old mine shafts and tunnels that had been used in the mining of iron.
Not exactly a magnitude 8 but I can imagine it would totally suck to be in one when it happened.

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