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Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 5:52:20 AM

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I have been chatting to a Master BlackCords about Risk Aware Consentual Kink or R.A.C.K
I have a bit of experience in BDSM but have never heard this phrase before.
Has anyone had any experience with this and can you let me know how it went.
Are there any precautions you would take or do you find this takes away from the risk factor?
I am quite excited about this, my heart is pounding but in a good way.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 6:29:36 AM

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RACK recognizes that activities are taking place which can not be made safe. For example, any time someone is bound tight enough that they cannot untie themselves, there exists the possibility of nerve damage, circulation restriction, or just simply "rope hickies" that could be plainly visible for a few days.

Rather that attempting to eliminate all risk, RACK practitioners aspire to have all participants reasonably educated with the range and probability of the risks present when taking reasonable precautions. Using the simple bondage example, if pressure points are avoided, the too monitors the skin color of the bottom, not attempt unreasonable suspension, the bottom is scrupulous about reporting warning sensations, and rope is kept away from airways or places where marks would be visible, you could reduce the risks associated with rope play.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 7:30:46 AM

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Ok, what about for meeting someone up, what sort of precautions would you take for a first meet?

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 7:37:53 AM

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Hi kim and welcome to the site.

'Risk Aware' is something we all need to be educated about. Some of it is simple and some of it more complicated and that is why an ongoing education in the act of BDSM goes on.
'Consensual Kink' means exactly what it says but it can only really be consensual when both the dominant and the submissive are 'risk aware'
'Risk Aware' can include virtually anything, from putting yourself into a vulnerable head space and understanding where that could take you emotionally, to playing with needles and understanding how to avoid the dangers of a needle stick or what to do if you got a needle stick.

I have run RACK discussion groups in the UK and it always brings in good numbers because generally people either want to pass on a helpful bit of information or want to make sure that they really are playing within the realms of 'RACK'

It doesn't take away the fun and make things less edgy or at least it shouldn't. I remember doing a piercing workshop which is very thorough on the health and safety angle. A man piped up 'but isn't this taking away all the fun and edginess?'
I believe that if you get into good habit of playing safely you can make it part of the ritual and that in itself makes the whole thing more fun.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 7:47:22 AM

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There are many threads on here that talk about the safety of a first meet.
Personally I would always suggest that you meet on neutral ground. That you don't get in his car or him in yours and that you go to a restaurant or cafe where you can chat and get to know one another.
I believe, even at this early stage you should have a 'safe friend'. A safe friend is someone you can inform of your meet. Tell her/him where your going, what the guys name is (though at this stage it may well not be his real name) and give a picture to. Tell her what time your meeting and how long you expect to be and ask her to call you an hour into the meet and that you will call her back when the meet is over and if you don't call her she must be concerned. Do not let him walk you home.

Once you get to the stage of going back to his/your place or a hotel you really do need that 'safe friend' in place with all the details. Text her his car registration (make him aware your doing this) and if he objects then DONT get in his car.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 7:53:53 AM

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Personally I am a proponent of meeting in a Starbucks inside a Barnes & Noble. That way if the other person doesn't show you still can get an iced chai and a new book.

The purpose of a safe call is to make sure someone knows where you are, and if you are seriously squicked by the person you met, then you use a code word to alert them to possible problems. However since it's unlikely you will be abducted out of a Starbucks while kicking and screaming, a lot of people don't use them for a first, half hour, coffee meet. If you really don't like the guy you excuse yourself to the ladies room and come out talking on the phone and then tell them you got a call and have a personal problem and good luck and good bye.

But if the guy really is a serial killer, which is unlikely, the safecall is more to tell the police where you last were when they start looking. If you do use this, then call the other person so they don't worry should you two be smitten on first sight and run off to Vegas to elope.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 8:02:48 AM

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The precautions you would take for ANY first meet, whether it's SSC, RACK, vanilla, should all be the same.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 8:19:06 AM

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Actually, rather than just a safe call, I would usually suggest arranging a safe call AND a subsequent text message with a prearranged message to the safe person. That way, there is additional safety and/or alarm bells available.

Also, technology is now sufficiently advanced that a phone can take a photo and send it - date and timestamped - to a webaddress or email box. Click! The location, with both people in it together. Click! His face in beautiful closeup. To an email, accessible anywhere by a safe friend or friends.

There are safe measures available, when they are needed.
Trust must flow both ways in sufficient measure.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 8:28:00 AM

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In response to Handsolo,

And the matter of tight bonds. It is quite possible for someone to be bound tightly, so that they cannot untie themselves, without any possibility of nerve damage, circulatory issues or burns. The choice of rope, knot and placement determines the effect.

Please understand I am not trying to be argumentative, merely picking up on the point of bondage you raised.

>> Rather that attempting to eliminate all risk, RACK practitioners aspire to have all participants reasonably
>> educated with the range and probability of the risks present when taking reasonable precautions.

Now, THAT is right on the money !
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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 8:42:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blackcords

And the matter of tight bonds. It is quite possible for someone to be bound tightly, so that they cannot untie themselves, without any possibility of nerve damage, circulatory issues or burns. The choice of rope, knot and placement determines the effect.

Actually, I can imagine one or two bondage positions in which this might be possible between highly experienced rope partners who know eachother and their specific bodies very, very well.

But for most advanced bondage positions between people who have a moderate experience and haven't been tying together for a year or two or so (--> so that's for just about all practical purposes) it cannot, at least not without any possibility of nerve damage (circulation issues are hardly dangerous, and neither are rope burns, so I'll gran you those two). You can try to do it as safe as possible, but it's quite unlikely it actually gets to be safe. Which is why rope bondage is an excellent example of a RACK activity.

When suspension comes into rope play, I don't see any option that would qualify as "safe" alltogether.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:23:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

quote:

ORIGINAL: Blackcords

And the matter of tight bonds. It is quite possible for someone to be bound tightly, so that they cannot untie themselves, without any possibility of nerve damage, circulatory issues or burns. The choice of rope, knot and placement determines the effect.

Actually, I can imagine one or two bondage positions in which this might be possible between highly experienced rope partners who know eachother and their specific bodies very, very well.

But for most advanced bondage positions between people who have a moderate experience and haven't been tying together for a year or two or so (--> so that's for just about all practical purposes) it cannot, at least not without any possibility of nerve damage (circulation issues are hardly dangerous, and neither are rope burns, so I'll gran you those two). You can try to do it as safe as possible, but it's quite unlikely it actually gets to be safe. Which is why rope bondage is an excellent example of a RACK activity.

When suspension comes into rope play, I don't see any option that would qualify as "safe" alltogether.

I agree (of course). If everything goes perfect in an ideal world, restrictive bondage is "safe." In the real world, everybody does everything right, the bottom squirms, a rope sfifts, and somebody's limb goes numb or worse.

Rope burn could potentially be very risky, assuming one counts getting fired, divorced, disowned or excommunicated as a risk. ;)

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:32:39 AM

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[grins]
I accept your opinion and respectfully suggest that you stay well away from ropes.

I think you might be happier that way.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:42:05 AM

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BC.. you do realize that while the BASIC anatomy may be the same within each person... sometimes, trigger points are not? I have a friend that cannot tolerate being bound around her wrists (below the wrist bone), and I can (if I must) take it ABOVE the wrist bone.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:42:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
Text her his car registration (make him aware your doing this) and if he objects then DONT get in his car.

All this advice is good ... another thing is to let electronics be your friend ... using email and a cellphone is very trackable unless he's really clever.

While nothing is foolproof, additionally, if your first play date is at a major hotel, he will know there are security cameras all around, and, nowadays, the USA is like Europe in that identification needs be shown just to check in and most major hotels require a credit card imprint.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:48:21 AM

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Solo, I LIKE your sense of humour.

And you are correct, of course. A running knot or a slipknot could slip if there is struggle. For that reason alone, I cannot think of a single time in years I have used a running knot against skin.

I believe we are in agreement of concept; if someone who does not know what a rope can do, tying a knot like a boyscout, is let loose with a willing subject and an erection ... trouble can ensue.

Apologies to those ladies who might be unfamilar with ropes but who have a curiousity and a willing subject, who may or may not have an erection. No offence was meant nor were you intended to be excluded.

When playing with ropes, one must know what type of rope to use, what type of knot to use and where to put both. The subject is your responsibility and MUST be kept in the greatest care and safety. There are a great many resources on nawa shibari, D/s knotwork in general and basic BDSM safety.

RACK does not mean unsafe. RACK emplies that there is risk involved.

I mean no disrespect to the views of any, but I will draw attention that there is a risk in pouring peanuts into your palm and tossing them into the back of your oral cavity.

If you are going to play with ribbons, candlelight and a feather in the safety of your own bedroom, get informed.
If you want to bungee jump while already suffering a backinjury, get informed of the consequences. If you STILL want to do it, very well. Just gather as much information as possible and then decide if it is for you.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:53:23 AM

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Hey GT,

Absolutely. And when tying, it is vital to make sure your bring all your knowledge to use the right choices of material and knot AND also ask the subject frequently if they are comfortable. This is, of course, in addition to checking temperature above and below the knot, circulatory and respiratory responses, colour and tone in the skin.

However, this is not what the OP is seeking in this thread.

And advice on first meetings for the OP ?

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 9:55:48 AM

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like my first post said: nothing different about a first meeting SSC/RACK/vanilla. If common sense doesnt dictate what those steps should be , then meeting shouldnt be an option.

YMMV

edited to correct for dyslexic fingers

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 10:14:01 AM

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quote:

I am quite excited about this, my heart is pounding but in a good way.

Kim,

I'm confused about why you are excited by the concept of RACK. RACK is an ethical framework for play. Not play itself. An ethical framework doesn't keep you safe, unless the person you are playing with actually subscribes to it. Your play-partner promising he's safe and sexy and gentle and severe, but will honor your safeword, and is aware of bondage cutting off circulation, and throws around a lot of "I'm so experienced" BS--means nothing.

Get to know him first. Get him vetted by real people.

As desFIP has said, meet the potential for coffee... and another coffee... and then an iced Chai. And then maybe enjoy a munch or public play with him...

January

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 10:21:55 AM

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I always thought of RACK as being an activity that you chose to do that has a risk of injury even with precautions taken.
Breathe play immediately comes to mind. Both parties go into the activity knowing there is a chance of injury.

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RE: Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK) - 5/3/2010 10:27:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blackcords

[grins]
I accept your opinion and respectfully suggest that you stay well away from ropes.

I think you might be happier that way.

Actually I run a rope bondage website, organise an annual rope bondage camping, teach paid tuition and perform at fetish shows. So if you don't mind, I respectfuly disregard your advice to stay away from ropes. I also suggest you take note of GreedyTop's post, as he seems to have gotten the message way better than you.

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