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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/5/2010 9:02:02 AM

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Any idea that requires more government, more spending, and more taxes or backdoor taxes is a bad idea. End of story. I would also say any idea that takes away the civil liberties of legal citizens is also a bad idea, but some people just can't figure that out. I guess they like the idea of big brother watching their every move.

For myself, I've already disconnected my doorbell. I never answer the door to strangers anyway, and I sure as hell am not going to answer the door to a census taker since they are counting illegal aliens. That's unconstitutional. The primary purpose of the census is to determine representation in Congress for legal citizens. If you don't even have the right to be on American soil, there's no possible way it is constitutional to provide them with representation.

Besides. All they really have to do is count Social Security numbers. I don't know how that works these days, but it seems to me the hospital should apply for a social security number for your child at birth.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/5/2010 9:06:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmeplsAll they really have to do is count Social Security numbers. I don't know how that works....

Right. Got it.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/5/2010 9:09:56 AM

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All they really have to do is count Social Security numbers.

And if we had representation grouped by SS#s, fine--as long as everyone gets theirs at birth and we promptly retire them at death.

But since we have representation by geographic residence, that's obviously not going to work.

It's also unConstitutional--we HAVE to do a physical census, unless we change the Constitution.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/5/2010 6:40:41 PM

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Actually they would leave a Notice of Visit first, if they come back and you actually tell them you refuse to answer it, then they would mark it as a refusal.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/5/2010 6:47:18 PM

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Things would have been easier if they'd just have mailed the damn form in the first place.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/5/2010 7:47:22 PM

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There are people here much better at math than me. Anybody got what the death rate for census enumerators would be with six traffic fatalities in a week? (I guess it doesn't say anywhere in the training manuals that stop signs in Texas are red octagons with white lettering, and they mean "that bigass truck has the right of way, Stupid!")

You've got to be kidding. You're saying that the fact that 6 people who work for the census were killed in traffic accidents, and some of them ran a stop sign, is somehow a sign that the Census operation is a fuck-up? You can't possibly be serious.

And if that's not what you're saying, why even bring it up? What's the point? People get killed in car accidents no matter who they're working for. I distinctly remember people getting killed running stop signs when Bush was in office too, that incompetent bastard.

I brought it up, Panda, because it was the news story I linked to at the start of the thread. I'd like to see the wider picture, too. Total accidents. Now shit is going to happen, because we live in a universe where shit happens, but how are those numbers going to stack up in comparison to, let's say, pizza delivery drivers? I'm sure working the census is safer than Alaskan crab fishing, but six in a week? I don't think we are losing cops or firefighters at that kind of rate (maybe in 2001).

I'm quite certain the rules require a license and insurance check. How often was there an "issue" with actually meeting the requirement? What other parts of the plan aren't going work? How do they handle it when things go wrong?

Accountability is pretty simple. Apply a generous strip of "shit happens," and for anything south of there, the buck stops with Barack. He's the CEO. If we have systemic failures, widespread fraud, a rash of fatalities, God knows how many lawsuits, if it is bad enough, it's his. And the inverse, if it gets done quick, right, and under budget. Whether he picked somebody for the job and let them go at it, or needed regular briefings, it's a Constitutional mandate on his plate. Shall we draw a line at structural failures on a multi-regional level? Bonus points for a suburban pedestrian killed by a drunk/high driver with a census sign in the car.

My hunch is that a lot of important early decisions were made ideologically. How much of the Chicago Way played a role in the hiring of district staff and directors? How many social theorists weighted the hiring process, and wrote the test? Any "additional goals" in the hiring practices and recruiting?

I'm easy here. Shit happens. My expectations are low. Don't fuck it up too badly, and this administration can buy some slack from me. Hell, it's a chance for them to impress me with how skillfully they can make government work seamlessly and efficiently to better serve us all. It is their chance to bring me back from the Dark Side.

I'm not packing in anticipation.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/16/2010 5:44:54 PM

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Well, I know they are in my area. We hit a local diner for dinner the other night, and two tables were occupied by what I assume were the supervisors, meeting with others who came and went. Another three tables of workers waiting to sit down with bosses.

Mine got mailed late. I should be on the list. I know the supervisor for my street was in there, because I asked one of the waiting workers, while standing outside for a smoke, but apparently it wasn't anybody there's job to get the information on my house and tuck it into a pocket of the three ring binder. Or to let me fill their copy out between the soup and main course. I've been in and out this weekend. No knock on the door when I've been home. Maybe they rang the bell, while we were out to dinner with the rest of the crew?

I dunno. Maybe they aren't allowed to get the forms that way. We had some good input from insiders, earlier in the thread. How's it going guys?

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/16/2010 6:45:36 PM

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Mine got mailed late. I should be on the list. I know the supervisor for my street was in there, because I asked one of the waiting workers, while standing outside for a smoke, but apparently it wasn't anybody there's job to get the information on my house and tuck it into a pocket of the three ring binder. Or to let me fill their copy out between the soup and main course. I've been in and out this weekend. No knock on the door when I've been home. Maybe they rang the bell, while we were out to dinner with the rest of the crew?

I dunno. Maybe they aren't allowed to get the forms that way.

No, they're not. There's less margin for error if the enumerator to whom your address is assigned simply comes to your door, and everyone else just stays out of it. There's no efficient way for any field-level worker to find out who's assigned to your address and get the information to them. They'd have to go up through too many channels and back down again.

But at the same time, it's probably even money that nobody will come to your door at all. There's something called a "late mail return," which is pretty much exactly what it sounds like. A return that arrives at the census office after the field operations begin is tabulated by the computer, which then sends a message to the district office in your town. Someone at the office looks up your address, finds out to whom it was assigned, and notifies the supervisor. Later that day, the supervisor contacts the enumerator and tells them to cross you off their list and return the form that was pre-printed with your address.

In fact, if you got it in early enough - after the list of addresses was printed up, but still before they were distributed to the enumerators - the book that was given to the enumerator would have your address crossed out before he or she even gets it. So you probably won't even have to worry about shooing anyone away from your door!

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/16/2010 9:01:42 PM

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TheHeretic: Panda is correct. BUT, if your form didn't get there in time, and you ARE on somebody's list, we (enumerators) have a NV code - left Notice of Visit - yet another form. So if you haven't rec'd one of those (usually under your door) you won't be contacted. The other side of THAT coin is that only so many workers per LCD - Local Census District. You might be in a book not yet assigned.

We each get a book with about 30-40 forms to get filled in. Can't get 2nd book until book #1 is done. Paid by number of hours worked and NO other metric. :::SIGH::: I got a tough book - 3 apartment complexes with NO way to get in to do NVs. Got real complicated. So, I raised hours per form all by my little lonesome.

This 2nd book is much easier - residential ONLY - houses accessible to strret. Did 3 CI - completed interviews on first visit - all within 2 hours. Heard rumor that current rate is just under two hours per CI. So again, curve buster, but this time from opposite side. LOL!

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/16/2010 9:05:29 PM

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No such "shooing" would occur, Panda. But with some things which are gotten up to in this house, just because we are home doesn't mean we are going to answer the door or the phone.

California has lost population. I just want to make very sure somebody in Congress has heard of the small community I live in. An undercount of my desert would be a bad thing. I want them to get it right. Just answer me this, Panda, if you can answer such a question. Have they hired enough wise old coots? The bunch I saw are going to need rescue helicopters if they go wandering about in the hills around here.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/16/2010 9:07:07 PM

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At least one, I see.

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RE: The enumerators are coming! - 5/16/2010 9:15:54 PM

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No such "shooing" would occur, Panda. But with some things which are gotten up to in this house, just because we are home doesn't mean we are going to answer the door or the phone.

California has lost population. I just want to make very sure somebody in Congress has heard of the small community I live in. An undercount of my desert would be a bad thing. I want them to get it right. Just answer me this, Panda, if you can answer such a question. Have they hired enough wise old coots? The bunch I saw are going to need rescue helicopters if they go wandering about in the hills around here.

yeh they would have to lower your taxes!!!!

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