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pahunkboy -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herfacechair pahunkboy:I do not thank you. I don't dis-thank you either. I expected this kind of response from your kind. pahunkboy: I have talked in detail to 3 who served. I've lost count of how many soldiers/service members/civilians, serving in Iraq, or who have served in Iraq, that I've talked to in detail. The majority share my argument and my observations. pahunkboy: So now we have 1.3 mil dead Iraqis. Your numbers are questionable, and keep in mind that most died as a result of terrorist actions. pahunkboy: I am not sure how this frees anyone. Every Iraqi that I saw and interacted with in Iraq enjoyed freedoms they didn't have while under Saddam. pahunkboy: We are in Iraq for oil. Oil because of the petro $. The dollar is back by oil and bombs. Not gold. No we're not there for oil. In fact, the Iraqi government recently bided contracts to develop the oil industry... US industry was present, but didn't bid. The majority of our oil comes from the Western Hemisphere, with Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela being our major suppliers. If this were about oil, we would've invaded Venezuela. pahunkboy: Here we are in 2 endless wars and people here in this board are swooning to thank this guy. We won the war in Iraq with a straight cut victory. It's peace time there the vast majority of the time, with the Iraqi military doing the vast majority of the fight when it does happen, and soon to take over all the fight, from assault to support/security and logistics. pahunkboy: if the US send troops to Pennsylvania in the manner that we did Iraq, we would shoot back. If the Pennsylvania government sends people through plastic shredders, feet first, simply because of paranoia, if they filled mass graves with people they push through kangaroo courts/then summarily executed, if the Pennsylvania government sanctioned rape, if they take actions that cause Pennsylvanians to constantly fear for their lives, and so on, we'd be sending troops there in the manner that we did Iraq. Do look at the bigger picture before comparing apples and oranges. Your criticism of the people thanking me is based on your disagreement with the Iraq War, and with what I'm saying, and not on any real, unbiased, look on what's going on. The Federal Reserve thanks you.

thompsonx -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:43:44 PM)
quote: For decades, the Vietnamese had a section in their war victory museum, dedicated to John Kerry and the anti war demonstrators. When were you in viet nam to see this?

mnottertail -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:45:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: This isn't just about "one man's account." This is about a first hand account of what's happening in Iraq, You may be a little too young to remember General waste more land giving his little pep talks from the front telling the american people the first hand blah blah balh... Funny your tail sounds just like his...I know his story was bullshit because I was there when he was running his mouth. We do not seek a wider war....... We are winning the war of attrition... Will fall like dominoes.... SMA William Wooldridge. ... et al.

herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:46:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Yea, how dare he start a thread and then leave. This forum is far more important that anything he could be doing in the real world.[8\|] Their issue with me isn't really my departure from the thread shortly after starting it... their issue is what I'm communicating... first hand observations that destroy their perception of what's going on in Iraq. How dare I present facts and observations that contradict what they feel the facts should be. I've debated with way too many people that, when presented with a first hand account of what's happening in Iraq, react adversely to the fact that the world isn't exactly going the way they think it's going... that their opinion about what's going on isn't the fact they believed them to be... that the world isn't operating the way they think it operates. I have to shake my head at the people who doubted my service, and the fact that I've deployed to Iraq, will return there... simply because they disagree with me, my observations, etc... never mind, for a second, that most these people don't have a first hand account of what's recently ben going on in Iraq. Guaranteed, had my posts been aligned with their ideology, they would've thanked me for my service, my courage to "stand up and not toe the military brass' line," etc. They wouldn't be on here questioning my statements of being in the military... and they would've taken me at my word of being a service member, recently ben to Iraq, even if I had actually "ben" a "poser." They can't stand the fact that a service member would present information that destroys their misguided interpretation of what's going on out there... dismissing my service is much easier for them than it is for them to swallow their ego and accept the fact that they're on the wrong side of the argument. And many of the people, on their side of the argument, accuse people on my side of the argument as being "narrow minded."

domiguy -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:47:36 PM)
Poor soldiers always want to fight the "good war." Those days are done. Now the best we can hope for is some revisionistic history to make your losses not seem like they were in vain.

pahunkboy -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:49:10 PM)
-- and we are there for OIL. We are in Afghanistan for the drugs as this harms Russia. See opium wars. Kissinger says that soldiers are dogs- hence dog tags. Unfortunately they inject these guys up with all kinds of experimental chemicals- and they drug them too. You work for the bankers. Not ordinary man in the street. Tell me- are you an Oath Keeper?

Jeffff -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:51:00 PM)
No, you don't get to do that. I call bullshit. There have been too many who have served for you to get away with that crap. To say that you have the real story and only you is silly. To imply that we if we disagree with you we are not supportive of people who have served is also bullshit. You came here to set us straight. We don't believe YOU, that is not an indictment of every other service person.

mnottertail -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:52:11 PM)
DOG (dead on ground) tags. Dude, they are called that because they look like fuckin dog tags, and they been called dog tags way before henry kissinger shat his first diaper. And 11Bs have been called dogs or dogfaces longer than that.

herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:53:17 PM)
DomYngBlk: And, yes, you confirm exactly what I am thinking. A simple fake. Not a vet, not even in Iraq. Are you willing to place a bet on that comment there "high speed"? I've got my DA 31, ERB, LES and I've got packages that I've mailed from Iraq. Just tell me that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and we could find someone here, a neutral poster, preferably someone from Virginia Beach, that I could present these documents to. This also goes for any joker here that questions my service, and where I've deployed to. DomYngBlk: No, he had plenty of questions early on that he ignored rather than answered.... I answered every question thrown my way, questions relevant to the first post's intent. Don't mistake an answer that doesn't conform to your assumptions as a "no answer."

mnottertail -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:54:47 PM)
you've missed a couple of mine, at this point, may have been an oversight.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:57:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herfacechair They can't stand the fact that a service member would present information that destroys their misguided interpretation of what's going on out there... dismissing my service is much easier for them than it is for them to swallow their ego and accept the fact that they're on the wrong side of the argument. And many of the people, on their side of the argument, accuse people on my side of the argument as being "narrow minded." You missed some of the message board context leading up to the comments on this thread. About a month back, there was an inflammatory poster who claimed to be a vet, and who threatened physical violence against everyone who didn't adopt a particular slant of right-wing position. That poster, when called out to prove he served, responded in a muddled way, leading a lot of people to think he was bogus. So your claims to service, and your strong repudiation of left or center beliefs about the US role in Iraq, are combining to jerk some knees. About your topic, it's fair to say that I disagree with you, but I also disagree with most of the people who disagree with you.[;)] In any event, I hope you don't die, and I hope you don't have to kill anyone else.

herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:57:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff You don't have to be a genius to realize that while RO is a whack job, one man's account is just that, one man's account. I am not trying to diminish his service, I don't know anything about it. Of course, I didn't try to diminish John Kerry's service either. Whatever his reasons for serving I would thank him for his service. That doesn't mean I have to buy into anyones agenda You also don't have to be a genius to figure out that domi has a real problem with sanity and will go to any lengths to slam one of his posts. And you will follow behind agreeing with anything he says in the hope of making sanity look like an ass. There are times, I would even agree with the two of you, but to get your panties in a twist because sanity suggested the OP might be setting some things straight is a bit of a reach. What exactly is the OP setting straight? That there were chemical weapons used repeatedly on our troops and they were used on Iraqi civilians as recently as a few weeks ago? Funny how no one except our war hero seems to know about those things. Go back and read the first post I made, and the following posts, and you'll see what I'm setting straight. I know that I'm not the only one that understand what I'm intending here, as there was a comment made about a chasm existing between what's going on in Iraq, and what's being reported. The main push behind this is that I have recent, first hand account of what's it like in Iraq, compared to the perspective by those I'm debating with.

pahunkboy -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 1:59:16 PM)
How can we not critique Iraq- like you were there and want to clear up the misconceptions. So see it as you do - but if not then you are not responsible for the mission. The entire economy- and money system is a FRAUD. ...I understand you are doing what seems to be the best option. The dollar is not backed by gold or silver - it is backed by oil and bombs. I don't disthank you tho- as I do enjoy the blessings of all we have. The global 1% - and their tactics- is coming to an end.

domiguy -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:03:51 PM)
Hey you guys, I am about to go out for the evening soon....Would you like to ask me any questions about beer before I go?

RedMagic1 -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:04:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff To say that you have the real story and only you is silly. To imply that we if we disagree with you we are not supportive of people who have served is also bullshit. You came here to set us straight. We don't believe YOU, that is not an indictment of every other service person. I do agree with this post. Time in the military changes men. Some come out thinking like Oliver North, and others come out thinking like Ron Kovic. To speak on behalf of "all servicemen" is arrogant, or blind. It's like saying that all Catholics are conservative, or all Asian women are submissive. Large groups are diverse.

herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:04:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Anyhow- a service stud- would have flown how many hours? So figure jet lag. I am sure he has fun stuff to do then to babysit us. He does have a point- that they cant really advertise a big success as a new school would be a pile of rubble. C-130 flight from Iraq to Ali Al Salim, Kuwait, 1 hour. R&R Phase 1, approximately 36 hours. Bus from Ali Al Salim to Kuwait City: 1.5 to 2 hours. Flight from Kuwait City to Germany, 5 hours. (Clock back 1 hour) Flight from Germany to Atlanta, 9 hours. (Clock back 6 hours) Jet lag isn't a problem when you refrain from sleeping during the flight, then allow yourself minimal sleep when you sleep during the times corresponding to "night time" at your ultimate destination. I slept all night my first night back, and was up the whole day the next day. It was like I never left the U.S.

Jeffff -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:09:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Hey you guys, I am about to go out for the evening soon....Would you like to ask me any questions about beer before I go? Does sour ale contain Mustard gas? I am going to the White Sox game tonight... I know, your jealous!

herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:10:25 PM)
Termyn8or: Somehow you feel the need to totally convert others from a belief system instailled in them for decades at least, and you must do it overnight, An impossible task if they're trying that on me. They'll have better luck bringing travel at the speed of light, and landing on Mars, within the next 24 hours, than they would trying to get me to change my position using several lifetimes worth of effort. I've never changed my mind based on something said by the people I've debated with... I've always walked away from an argument with the same standing/assessment that I had before getting into the argument. It has gotten to the point to where I've replied to a current debate with a copy and paste of something I said, to a similar statement, in a previous argument.

domiguy -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:13:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herfacechair The main push behind this is that I have recent, first hand account of what's it like in Iraq, compared to the perspective by those I'm debating with.[/color] But a first hand account from a douchebag is still a first hand account from a douchebag.

Jeffff -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/7/2010 2:14:24 PM)
That's not very supportive!

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